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Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by greygoo222 »

tarentel wrote: post #36
tunesmith wrote: post #10

I think the real distinction is whether the output came from the artist's human intention, or whether someone just said "let's just see what happens!"... it's sort of impossible to reach inside the artist's brain to find out where that line is. I suppose the only test is to start with that same intention multiple times and see how widely the output varies.

Wasn't your intention whatever you typed in? That doesn't make you an artist and I don't want to hear the music AI made that you happened to type some words to and hit enter.

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Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by WD-42 »

olivierestsage wrote: post #16

Funny to see this right now. Spotify's promotion of AI music bothered me so much that it has actually pushed me to Bandcamp and the practice of buying music again. It's really fun to build a collection knowing you're supporting the artists, download FLAC files, organize your little "collection" page ... Feels like a renaissance in my relationship with music, the most fun I've had since what.cd. Anyway, love this stan…

I’ve been doing the same over the last few months.

The best part for me is going to record stores again. CDs are SO cheap now, especially used ones. I’ll usually pick a few out of the dollar bin just based on vibes and the cover and rip them when I get home. I’ve found some cool stuff. It’s like a treasure hunt.

Don’t miss Spotify one bit.

Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by ljlolel »

sheeh wrote: post #46
mapontosevenths wrote: post #3

Every major platform needs to also do this. They've all become overrun with literal trash.

I wonder why the head honchos of the music industry haven’t come together and put together an alternative to Spotify’s increasingly AI-slop platform

Boom we did: https://hangout.fm/

Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by jplusequalt »

zaptrem wrote: post #72
csours wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like there's a difference between AI used as a tool and AI used to make slop. Also, most AI music has weird noise in it that drives me insane. I have to imagine* that we will figure out what that difference is, but it will be difficult and costly. * I have to imagine that or else I will lose all hope in the future.

I’m a founder of one of these AI music companies and that noise you’re describing (it differs between co’s for us it’s loud vocals, for Suno it’s vocal aliasing/sandiness and mushy instrumentals, etc) is exactly why I think these songs should not be going on Spotify/etc. We’ll have this (and the corny lyrics issue) mostly fixed in a month or so, then it mostly becomes a recommendations problem. For example, TikTok is…

I'll blame Spotify, and your company.

Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by NitpickLawyer »

LTL_FTC wrote: post #62

Not a musician (dabble with the guitar from time to time but I do absolutely love music) and don’t make music but one of my best friends growing up has been playing instruments forever. He writes songs and song lyrics. He has started a YouTube channel and shares some of the music he makes, and it sounds really great. I am amazed sometimes how great. But he puts in lots of effort to craft these songs and lyrics. They…

This is just a fad. The platforms will soon learn that the vocal minority is not necessarily their best customer. And then they'll slowly / quietly revert their bans or stop enforcing them.

If people listen to music, they like the music, and it can come from wherever. Gatekeeping never works.

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Post by blibble »

hmokiguess wrote: post #13

I have a maybe unpopular opinion to share. We now sort of accepted the idea of “vibe coding”, and, even shared appreciation from people who are using it to resuscitate side projects and things they wanted to do but required a lot of work. (Heck, even Linus Torvalds is doing it). Is “Vibe Music / Art” any different? For example, I am not a drummer, say I use Suno to program some drums for me so I can record my guitar…

> We now sort of accepted the idea of “vibe coding”

speak for yourself please, not all of us have

Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by jplusequalt »

greygoo222 wrote: post #81
tarentel wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wasn't your intention whatever you typed in? That doesn't make you an artist and I don't want to hear the music AI made that you happened to type some words to and hit enter.

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>the rest of us will be here enjoying great music

Speak for yourself.

Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by WD-42 »

newman8r wrote: post #50

If I have an exact idea of what I want something to sound like, and I'm able to use an automated system to create that, is that creative expression? Obviously AI isn't entirely capable of that, but eventually with BCI devices it might be. I've spent many hours learning to play guitar and ukulele but I'm really not very good, and probably never will be - but I can hear the music in my head I want to create. I'm not in…

People have been doing this for decades already, FL studio, Abelton, etc. Not sure what AI has to do with it.

Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by greygoo222 »

frakt0x90 wrote: post #30
neom wrote: post #5

I've been having fun making stuff in Suno, I'm not a musician but I've always enjoyed "producing tracks" using Abelton and find the Suno + Abelton combo to be real magic on the weekends. I think some of the stuff I made isn't too bad and I'd love feedback on it. For a few weeks I went back and forth about uploading them to my soundcloud and resolve with this: I wouldn't have insisted we only allowed art made with MS…

Whenever I see defences of AI "art" people very often reduce the arguments to these analogies of using tools, but it's ineffective. Whether you use MS Paint, Photoshop, pencil, watercolor etc. That all requires skill, practice, and is this great intersection of intent and ability. It's authentic . Generating media with AI requires no skill, no intent, and very minimal labor. It is an approximation of the words you ty…

If it were so easy to create good AI music, I'd be able to do it all myself instead of following so many artists. But it takes a lot of skill.
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