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Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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Post by driverdan »

intended wrote: post #31
avereveard wrote: post #13

every time I dig in this story is always stories of stories, and all walk backward to maybe one single merchant, which is just his word, with no police trail or court case trail or anything substantial, with news agency work over "examples and reconstruction of what might have happened" and no actual data that could be verified / falsified. is this something anyone has actually seen happen, or is it part of the AI hy…

I’ve heard that this was happening with food apps in India. I am waiting for when people realize how to fake prescriptions.

> I am waiting for when people realize how to fake prescriptions

How would an LLM help with that? Paper prescriptions can be copied using Word and a pen.

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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Post by thunky »

intended wrote: post #52
thunky wrote: post #16

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> rendering homework ineffective Homework isn't any more ineffective imo. The way we educate and grade is. Imagine if people went to school to learn something rather than to "level up". And you earned a job based on what you know, or what you can do, rather than what degree you banked. Then maybe you would want to do the homework. If gen AI helps us flip the current system on it's head that would be a good thing.

No one is willing to pay for this. Bloom’s 2 sigma problem is from 1984 . MOOCs were the hope for education but that didn’t take off either. Now any remote learning will need physical examinations, which make certification pathways for everything more expensive. Even if you want to study, our distractions are crafted by people who spend hours figuring out the right dopamine reward schedules to keep you distracted.

> Now any remote learning will need physical examination

I don't think so. Proving you can pass a test is pretty useless imo. Especially when it typically boils down to a memorization test and the subject matter is largely irrelevant.

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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Post by eru »

only-one1701 wrote: post #57
eru wrote: post #23

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Division of labour is a good thing. It's why we are rich today.

Well, it’s either a that, or we took a bunch of resources from all over the world by force. Maybe a bit of both?

Who took resources by force?

For comparison, Ireland is amongst the richest places in Europe these days, and they never colonised anyone. They used to be colonised.

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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Post by eru »

sweezyjeezy wrote: post #30
eru wrote: post #23

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Division of labour is a good thing. It's why we are rich today.

That's a stretch. One can hold the view that division of labour is a useful economical principle, but also that oligopolies represent a dangerous concentration of power.

What oligopolies?

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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Post by websiteapi »

immibis wrote: post #33
websiteapi wrote: post #22

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hardly - go read up on eBay scams. it's never been easier to scam people online. all shipping the item do is force the scam buyer to make the defects so, which is why many if not most seller just pay the buyer partially to keep as-is

if you have to break the item and then send it back, what did you gain from the scam?

most of the time you would get partial refunds.

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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Post by websiteapi »

mcphage wrote: post #60
websiteapi wrote: post #4

Eventually the concept of refunds will become very rare. In fact, it, along with free shipping were pretty rare before Amazon and Walmart. If you travel and go to some random beach town and buy random item from random street merchant, they won’t give you a refund. Main issue to bridge is ensuring the item is expected as you can’t physically inspect prior to purchase. It’ll be interesting to see how that’s solved. I p…

> Eventually the concept of refunds will become very rare. I don’t think so—it makes the risk of purchase too high, and people will buy less. Which is not what the sellers want. > it, along with free shipping were pretty rare before Amazon and Walmart. Refunds were not rare before Walmart and Amazon.

free shipping even for returns were indeed rare, thus a refund was not free, nor complete

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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Post by ACCount37 »

avereveard wrote: post #78
ACCount37 wrote: post #76

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No. The prior is so strong that it's up to you to prove that no AI fraud is happening. Good luck.

The "some say" prior? well then here's my refutation: some say this isn't happening at the scale this article claim someone say it's happening. that should convince you by your own admission. beside it's the article responsibility to provide evidence for their points. circular links leading to the same handful of stories is not "preponderant"

The "humans are stupid in all the usual ways" prior.

You might as well be asking for proof that humans use AI to generate porn.

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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Post by mschuster91 »

grumbel wrote: post #56

That's something C2PA[1] might be able to help with, i.e. your phones camera puts a digital signature on the photo confirming that your phone took it. If that doesn't work out due to people photographing an AI image of a display, I would expect custom shop apps to be required to make warranty claims, as they could make use of all the phones sensors and make forging much harder. Either way, I am not sure how big of a…

C2PA only holds up until someone can extract the key material from any cheap-ass sensor.

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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Post by mcphage »

websiteapi wrote: post #86
mcphage wrote: post #60

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> Eventually the concept of refunds will become very rare. I don’t think so—it makes the risk of purchase too high, and people will buy less. Which is not what the sellers want. > it, along with free shipping were pretty rare before Amazon and Walmart. Refunds were not rare before Walmart and Amazon.

free shipping even for returns were indeed rare, thus a refund was not free, nor complete

You just took it back to the store, there was no shipping involved.

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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Post by websiteapi »

mcphage wrote: post #89
websiteapi wrote: post #86

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free shipping even for returns were indeed rare, thus a refund was not free, nor complete

You just took it back to the store, there was no shipping involved.

we're talking about e-commerce here...
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