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Using AI generated images to get refunds

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Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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Maybe the extreme scalability of AI bullshitting will offset the extreme scalability of running large-scale direct-to-consumer oligopolies, and we see some return to local shopping, with all the positive effects on local communities... one can hope

I want you to be right, but that requires quite a lot of hope.

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

#12
post #2

We absolutely need certified no-AI digital proofs.

We absolutely also need full and complete peace on earth and no more wars, but what we need isn't always what is feasible to get in real life. "No-AI proofs" falls into that bucket of "Would be nice to have, but very infeasible to actually create".

it will be implemented by chips-on-camera, that will tie you to a picture. it will be pushed forward by law enforcement ("think of the children!") and it will be great for profits. not so much for privacy.

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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every time I dig in this story is always stories of stories, and all walk backward to maybe one single merchant, which is just his word, with no police trail or court case trail or anything substantial, with news agency work over "examples and reconstruction of what might have happened" and no actual data that could be verified / falsified.

is this something anyone has actually seen happen, or is it part of the AI hype cycle?

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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post #7

Eventually the concept of refunds will become very rare. In fact, it, along with free shipping were pretty rare before Amazon and Walmart. If you travel and go to some random beach town and buy random item from random street merchant, they won’t give you a refund. Main issue to bridge is ensuring the item is expected as you can’t physically inspect prior to purchase. It’ll be interesting to see how that’s solved. I p…

> Eventually the concept of refunds will become very rare Except where enshrined by law, eg in the EU

laws can change - eventually this scam described in the article will be ubiquitous and unavoidable.

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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every time I dig in this story is always stories of stories, and all walk backward to maybe one single merchant, which is just his word, with no police trail or court case trail or anything substantial, with news agency work over "examples and reconstruction of what might have happened" and no actual data that could be verified / falsified. is this something anyone has actually seen happen, or is it part of the AI hy…

scamming to get refunds has always been a thing.

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

#16

The way I see it, generative AI has been introducing a lot of distrust into systems that worked "fine" previously, such as rendering homework ineffective in the case of education, making verification difficult for remote interviewing, flooding the internet with low-quality noise (aka slop) that makes it difficult for reputable and researched sources of information to stand out, with all the implications it has for so…

> rendering homework ineffective

Homework isn't any more ineffective imo. The way we educate and grade is.

Imagine if people went to school to learn something rather than to "level up". And you earned a job based on what you know, or what you can do, rather than what degree you banked.

Then maybe you would want to do the homework.

If gen AI helps us flip the current system on it's head that would be a good thing.

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Eventually the concept of refunds will become very rare Except where enshrined by law, eg in the EU

laws can change - eventually this scam described in the article will be ubiquitous and unavoidable.

Laws can change, sure, but probably business practices will change first, since it is easier. In EU, you are entitled to money refund for online purchased goods (with some caveats ofc), but the business can (and most do) require you to send the item back first, on your own expense. That reduces the risk of fraud like this.

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We absolutely also need full and complete peace on earth and no more wars, but what we need isn't always what is feasible to get in real life. "No-AI proofs" falls into that bucket of "Would be nice to have, but very infeasible to actually create".

it will be implemented by chips-on-camera, that will tie you to a picture. it will be pushed forward by law enforcement ("think of the children!") and it will be great for profits. not so much for privacy.

Out of curiosity, what stops you from taking a photo of a AI generated picture?

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

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post #2

We absolutely need certified no-AI digital proofs.

This seems like such a tricky problem. There was a no-ai camera posted here recently which verified the photos were genuinely taken on the device. It was pointed out someone could photograph an ai image via the camera to produce a verified image.

Maybe it needs to be similar to SSL certificates where trusted authorities can verify and revoke verification for digital assets.

Re: Using AI generated images to get refunds

#20
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We absolutely also need full and complete peace on earth and no more wars, but what we need isn't always what is feasible to get in real life. "No-AI proofs" falls into that bucket of "Would be nice to have, but very infeasible to actually create".

it will be implemented by chips-on-camera, that will tie you to a picture. it will be pushed forward by law enforcement ("think of the children!") and it will be great for profits. not so much for privacy.

Yet it doesn't actually solve the problem. Whatever technical implementation you can think of, can somehow be misused so you have AI pictures labeled as "Genuinely not AI".

If you do come up with a 100% fool-proof implementation of this, you'll be able to get a lot of money for it, so do give it a try! Many have tried before you, yet it always turns out to be short of impossible. But who knows, maybe there is a way...

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