I hate to tell them but everything is being enshittified.
"Not me," said entropy, "I was already there at the outset."
Less cutely, this is an interesting topical site/newsletter => https://selfh.st
Self-hosting is being enshittified
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Re: Self-hosting is being enshittified
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
A powerful enough machine (usually limited by RAM, not CPU) will let you run a hypervisor OS like Proxmox which helps a lot with making things secure and flexible. You might also want to have RAID, ECC memory. It quickly starts to make sense to build a proper home server rather than cobbling together a bunch of low end hardware. The tipping point is probably when you want more than 1-2 hard drives worth of storage.
If you run everything on Linux you don't need VMs. What are you putting in the VM, another Linux kernel? Why? Yeah then you need to take into account between 4GB and ~ 8GB of extra ram per VM . I don't have RAID though I do backup to my NAS at my parents'. But honestly a NVMe drive is basically like a CPU: it's either dead on arrival or it will just run forever.
Backing up entire VMs with all the configuration in case an update breaks something or just bricks your server is a smart idea aswell as running stuff in containers.
Also, 4GB per VM?
Besides sometimes you need to run software that is not avaliable on linux.
Re: Self-hosting is being enshittified
#83This blog seems to be from "that side" of the self-hosting world: the homelabbers. If you ask these people you need to buy expensive hardware and build your own datacenter at home. I have been hosting all my services on a single Intel Nuc from 10 years ago and a RPI5 as backup for critical services like DNS. That's it. You'll truly be amazed at how much stuff you can actually run on very little hardware if you only h…
A powerful enough machine (usually limited by RAM, not CPU) will let you run a hypervisor OS like Proxmox which helps a lot with making things secure and flexible. You might also want to have RAID, ECC memory. It quickly starts to make sense to build a proper home server rather than cobbling together a bunch of low end hardware. The tipping point is probably when you want more than 1-2 hard drives worth of storage.
I'm also going to leave my personal opinion;
You don't need ECC
You absolutely don't need proxmox, containers are good enough
It does not quickly make sense to build a proper home server
Raid1 or raid6 makes sense, but it's absolutely not a tipping point.
Re: Self-hosting is being enshittified
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you run everything on Linux you don't need VMs. What are you putting in the VM, another Linux kernel? Why? Yeah then you need to take into account between 4GB and ~ 8GB of extra ram per VM . I don't have RAID though I do backup to my NAS at my parents'. But honestly a NVMe drive is basically like a CPU: it's either dead on arrival or it will just run forever.
Backing up entire VMs with all the configuration in case an update breaks something or just bricks your server is a smart idea aswell as running stuff in containers. Also, 4GB per VM? Besides sometimes you need to run software that is not avaliable on linux.
If you backup the entire VM you are just backing up the Linux kernel itself and all the (GNU) tools with it.
Seems like a waste to me.
Backup your docker config and your data, that's what you actually need. The rest is just available online if you ever need it.
>Besides sometimes you need to run software that is not available on linux.
Really, like what?
Re: Self-hosting is being enshittified
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
You don't have to expose your self-hosted services on the Internet to begin with. 0day bugs do exist even if you diligently apply all security updates.
Have the advantage of hosting content on Plex and other media servers that you can play them remotely. I can be on the other side of the Earth and still access my media. This is an extremely common use case.
You can put them behind wireguard and still have all this without exposing it
Re: Self-hosting is being enshittified
#86Self-hosted FOSS apps are probably the best push towards computing freedom and privacy today. But I wish that the self-hosting community moved towards a true distributed architecture, instead of trying to mimic the paradigms of corporate centralized software. This is not meant as a criticism against the current self-hosted architecture or the apps. But I wish the community focused on a different set of features that…
You might be interested in https://www.iroh.computer/
Yeah, I have been planning to try out Iroh sometime soon. However, what I explained will take a whole lot of planning on top of Iroh. I also don't want to replicate what others have already achieved. It would be best if something could be built on top of those. Let's see how it goes.
Re: Self-hosting is being enshittified
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
Where are you seeing that? From what I can tell, the 10k message limit applies to "Mattermost Entry": > Mattermost Entry gives small, forward-leaning teams a free self-hosted Intelligent Mission Environment to get started on improving their mission-critical secure collaborative workflows. Entry has all features of Enterprise Advanced with the following server-wide limitations and omissions: https://docs.mattermost.co…
What the fuck is this lmao? "a free self-hosted Intelligent Mission Environment to get started on improving their mission-critical secure collaborative workflows". Sounds like some kind of parody of enterprise software.
I don’t know what you’re talking about. It’s a free tier.
Re: Self-hosting is being enshittified
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
Did you read the Github issue? These guys are paying customers.
Can't edit anymore - I was wrong here. I saw "we're happy to pay for it" and thought they were paying for it. They're not, yet.
Yea, here “we’re happy to pay for it” really means “we’re not happy to pay the price you’re charging, but maybe we’d pay if you fundamentally changed your prices or pricing model.”
Re: Self-hosting is being enshittified
#89This blog seems to be from "that side" of the self-hosting world: the homelabbers. If you ask these people you need to buy expensive hardware and build your own datacenter at home. I have been hosting all my services on a single Intel Nuc from 10 years ago and a RPI5 as backup for critical services like DNS. That's it. You'll truly be amazed at how much stuff you can actually run on very little hardware if you only h…
I think there’s a spectrum and you said it as if there’s only two sides.
For me personally, I built my “data centre” as cheap as possible, but there’s a few requirements that the computers you’re using would not cut it: storage server must be using ZFS with ECC. I started this around a decade ago and I only spent ~$300 at the time (reusing old PSU and case I think).
There are many requirements of a data centre that can be relaxed in a home lab settings, up time, performance, etc. but I would never trade data integrity for tiny bit of savings. Sadly this is a criteria that many, including some of those building very sophisticated home cluster, didn’t set as a priority.
Re: Self-hosting is being enshittified
#90There’s always risk of a rug pull or going the wrong direction with “open-source” software developed by a for-profit company (Plex, MinIO, Mattermost in this example). When choosing software that I run in my “homelab” I lean towards community developed projects first. They may not always have as high quality as the ones offered by commercial entities but they’re just safer for the long term and have no artificial lim…
Another Plex (Pass) user here. What exactly is the bullshit you deal with? Over the years I have been streaming all my movies and shows to as many people I want. Plex added HDR support for transcoding, live subtitles syncing and more. Especially the subtitle syncing is fantastic. It completely solved the problem.
Not op but ugh having to update my Plex server/apps every few months after not having used it for a while, yeah having to have a subscription to the mobile app now to stream from your own server using your own phone. Don't get me wrong its great when it works but i'd prefer something more ... open.