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Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

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Post by saghm »

evil-olive wrote: post #74
linsomniac wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>You can get a very similar 16GB RAM, 1TB storage Minipc in the same form factor from Amazon for around $260 Not apples/apples, it looks like the Umbrel at $500 comes with 4TB, you're pricing out a 1TB above. A bare Samsung 990EVO 4TB is $328, on a straight $/TB that's an extra $246 putting your total build more like $500.

nope, it's "starts at $499" with "up to 4TB" of storage if you click "Buy Now" and then...click "Buy Now" again , that takes you to the actual pricing. $500 for 1TB, or 4TB for $800.

Kind of wild that even an option literally phrased in a way indicating you want to immediately give them money requires clicking again to even start making a selection (without even getting into the fact that the actual specs are behind a link that makes it sound like it's for when you've already made up your mind to buy it).

Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

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Post by MegaSec »

bastawhiz wrote: post #64

I am uninterested in purchasing proprietary hardware running a proprietary operating system that'll work (maybe) for some amount of time. Sure, it's technically self hosted. But you can't extend it (without their proprietary app store). It doesn't seem like you can write your own apps without registering, or side load them. Details are extremely thin on the site, so let me know if I'm wrong. Hell, all the compelling…

There's a Github link for the os, but it is under some strange not-quite OSS or Free Software license... https://github.com/getumbrel/umbrel

Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

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Post by doubled112 »

metalliqaz wrote: post #79
doubled112 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it? Half of the IT team I am on is seemingly incapable of understanding using a public/private keypair for SSH logins. Can I use yours? How to copy them? Should they be unique per user? Should I email the private key? Etc?

I believe grandparent post was referring to Umbrel as easier than SSH

"This" was a little ambiguous but after another read I believe you're likely correct.

Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

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Post by colordrops »

pedrozieg wrote: post #12

A decade of “personal cloud box” attempts has shown that the hard part isn’t the hardware, it’s the long-term social contract. Synology/WD/My Cloud/etc all eventually hit the same wall: once the company pivots or dies, you’re left with a sealed brick that you don’t fully control, holding the most irreplaceable thing you own: your data. If you’re going to charge an Apple-like premium on commodity mini-PC hardware, you…

That's exactly my goal with HomeFree:

https://homefree.host

Goal is my mom running it, and keeping it 100% open source.

It looks like there isn't a lot of visible progress, but there's now a branch with a live CD installer, and an admin UI, so no command line shenanigans are necessary. Once that is cleaned up, the website will be refreshed.

I really need to quit my job so I can work on this full time.

Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

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Post by sedawkgrep »

mikalauskas wrote: post #78
bastawhiz wrote: post #64

I am uninterested in purchasing proprietary hardware running a proprietary operating system that'll work (maybe) for some amount of time. Sure, it's technically self hosted. But you can't extend it (without their proprietary app store). It doesn't seem like you can write your own apps without registering, or side load them. Details are extremely thin on the site, so let me know if I'm wrong. Hell, all the compelling…

This reads like a laundry list of assumptions rather than facts

Well the parent did say this:

> Details are extremely thin on the site, so let me know if I'm wrong.

Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

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Post by bachmeier »

bastawhiz wrote: post #64

I am uninterested in purchasing proprietary hardware running a proprietary operating system that'll work (maybe) for some amount of time. Sure, it's technically self hosted. But you can't extend it (without their proprietary app store). It doesn't seem like you can write your own apps without registering, or side load them. Details are extremely thin on the site, so let me know if I'm wrong. Hell, all the compelling…

I had one of those systems years ago (don't remember the name). Used it for a while, then one day they just disappeared and my "personal cloud" was a "personal brick".

Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

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Post by zdc1 »

no_wizard wrote: post #58
pedrozieg wrote: post #12

A decade of “personal cloud box” attempts has shown that the hard part isn’t the hardware, it’s the long-term social contract. Synology/WD/My Cloud/etc all eventually hit the same wall: once the company pivots or dies, you’re left with a sealed brick that you don’t fully control, holding the most irreplaceable thing you own: your data. If you’re going to charge an Apple-like premium on commodity mini-PC hardware, you…

Don't forget the user experience needs to be seamless. We bubble ourselves to this as tech fluent folks on HN, but the seamless quality needs to be on par or better with Google Drive, iCloud drive, Google / iCloud Photos etc. Ability to share, good default security, and seamless integration with the things people care about. If this device can't automatically backup a phone wirelessly and without my interaction, it w…

I've tried a lot of personal cloud options (ownCloud, a Resilio Sync mesh, CloundMounter + B2) and somehow ended up back on iCloud because of this.

My next experiment is just to use NFS over Nebula/Tailscale and see how much data I can just host off my NAS, but it's surprisingly been quite a journey for a simple problem.

Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

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Post by keithcarolus »

solarkraft wrote: post #71

I like Umbrel’s technical approach: Its apps are just docker compose files with a little extra, making it very easy to support. The UI layer is Next JS, which gives tight coupling with the backend (so good state sync). I also like their marketing approach: They really have a nice app store and a nice page for each app. I did not like the reliability around app installations and the disappointment that it’s actually q…

A format to easily wrap containerized applications in an app store or like a package manager? Sort of like a lightweight proxmox?

I’ve had the same idea. It’s the missing piece to beautiful UI wrapping around a homelab. I think this is one of the cooler pieces of what Umbrel is providing.

Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

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Post by Esophagus4 »

spankalee wrote: post #49

I want a personal cloud, but one that can be hosted in an actual cloud. Ideally, I think we would something like Sandstorm but that can be deployed on everything from a home server to a Docker-based cloud service like Google Cloud Run or... Amazon Fargate (I'm not too familiar with their services). I don't use the cloud for scaling, but so that I never have to worry about power, internet, or machine-level security.

Just be aware that cloud providers like to end-of-life their managed service versions pretty quickly, so you should plan on doing maintenance work on your deployment every year or so if you decide to go that route.

Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

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Post by bix6 »

colordrops wrote: post #84
pedrozieg wrote: post #12

A decade of “personal cloud box” attempts has shown that the hard part isn’t the hardware, it’s the long-term social contract. Synology/WD/My Cloud/etc all eventually hit the same wall: once the company pivots or dies, you’re left with a sealed brick that you don’t fully control, holding the most irreplaceable thing you own: your data. If you’re going to charge an Apple-like premium on commodity mini-PC hardware, you…

That's exactly my goal with HomeFree: https://homefree.host Goal is my mom running it, and keeping it 100% open source. It looks like there isn't a lot of visible progress, but there's now a branch with a live CD installer, and an admin UI, so no command line shenanigans are necessary. Once that is cleaned up, the website will be refreshed. I really need to quit my job so I can work on this full time.

HomeFree must be deployed from another machine with Nix installed.

Your mom runs Nix?

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