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KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

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Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

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Post by aidenn0 »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #63
aidenn0 wrote: post #51

Wayland is missing one thing still for me. Perhaps someone can tell me there is a way to do this: 1. ssh into a machine with a running session 2. start (something) that lets me remotely connect to it Right now I have two working solutions for X11 (x11vnc, freerdp-shadow) but zero for Wayland. I think this is intentional because the venn diagram of remote-access-tools and malware has a large intersection, but it's ver…

Isn't that wayvnc?

If that really meets my needs, that will pull me away from KDE to a wlroots based compositor. I'll try it later, thanks.

Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

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Post by c-hendricks »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #63
aidenn0 wrote: post #51

Wayland is missing one thing still for me. Perhaps someone can tell me there is a way to do this: 1. ssh into a machine with a running session 2. start (something) that lets me remotely connect to it Right now I have two working solutions for X11 (x11vnc, freerdp-shadow) but zero for Wayland. I think this is intentional because the venn diagram of remote-access-tools and malware has a large intersection, but it's ver…

Isn't that wayvnc?

wayvnc works for wlroots-based Wayland compositors, sadly not all Wayland compositors are wlroots-based

Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

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Post by noisem4ker »

aidenn0 wrote: post #51

Wayland is missing one thing still for me. Perhaps someone can tell me there is a way to do this: 1. ssh into a machine with a running session 2. start (something) that lets me remotely connect to it Right now I have two working solutions for X11 (x11vnc, freerdp-shadow) but zero for Wayland. I think this is intentional because the venn diagram of remote-access-tools and malware has a large intersection, but it's ver…

For RDP, you've got KRDP and gnome-remote-desktop.

That "with a running session" bit greatly helps here. While GDM allows you to have remote login and headless sessions [1], with SDDM you're locked out for the moment. There's plans to turn SDDM into a KDE-powered, more featured plasma-login-manager with KRDP integration, but no concrete development yet [2].

[1]: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-remote-desktop

[2]: https://invent.kde.org/plasma/plasma-login-manager

Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

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Post by electroly »

kanbankaren wrote: post #76
electroly wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The formula is DPI ÷ 96. 100% is 96 dpi, 125% is 120 dpi.

My monitor DPI is 70. 70/96 is 0.73, but there doesn't seem to be a way to set 73%?

You might be out of luck. I don't think it's possible to set the scaling lower than 100%. DPI scaling is primarily concerned with high-DPI.

Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

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Post by MyOutfitIsVague »

serf wrote: post #67
cupofjoakim wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find your comment a bit funny on multiple levels. "Linux" does not force anything on you right? It's the community that has by and large decided to move to maintaining other solutions. If you still want to use fvwm you can still run it on arch with x11 until x11 is not maintained and the kernel breaks it somehow

>"Linux" does not force anything on you right? >It's the community that has by and large decided to move to maintaining other solutions. If you still want to use fvwm you can still run it on arch with x11 until x11 is not maintained and the kernel breaks it somehow well you just framed it perfectly; it's still forced on the end-user regardless of whether or not you want to call it 'linux' or 'the community that contr…

It's not forced if you were getting it all for free anyway and can walk away at any time. "They've stopped giving away old thing for free and are now only doing new thing" doesn't put you in the position of a captive who has no freedom. You can complain, you can develop your own solutions, you can leave, but I find it over the line the number of people in the X11/Wayland conversation whose position amounts to looking at people who are working for free, and demanding that they do a specific kind of free work without compensation or help. It's all people working on their free time, or companies sponsoring the developments they need. It's hard to make demands as an end user who isn't paying or even helping.

Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

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Post by c-hendricks »

aidenn0 wrote: post #81
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that wayvnc?

If that really meets my needs, that will pull me away from KDE to a wlroots based compositor. I'll try it later, thanks.

KRDP: https://invent.kde.org/plasma/krdp

But it needs a logged-in session, you can't get access to the login manager.

Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

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Post by ferguess_k »

MyOutfitIsVague wrote: post #65
ferguess_k wrote: post #52

I live in a cave and am not a system programmer -- what's so wrong with X11 so people need to replace it with something else instead of improving it? Or, what's so wrong with anything so people need to replace it with something else instead of improving it? Let's say I'm an old man favoring improving existing stuffs instead of starting from scratch. I like debugging and wish to work as a sys programmer specialized in…

X11 is not really fixable, architecturally. This wasn't some authority saying "X11 is over, stop working on it." It was the X11 developers and DE and WM developers who work directly with the protocol deciding that it's untenable to fix, and something new is actually the right call. That's the important thing that many people are missing: the X11 developers ARE the Wayland developers, and they actually have good reaso…

Thanks. This is pretty valid argument.

Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

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Post by aidenn0 »

willis936 wrote: post #72
aidenn0 wrote: post #51

Wayland is missing one thing still for me. Perhaps someone can tell me there is a way to do this: 1. ssh into a machine with a running session 2. start (something) that lets me remotely connect to it Right now I have two working solutions for X11 (x11vnc, freerdp-shadow) but zero for Wayland. I think this is intentional because the venn diagram of remote-access-tools and malware has a large intersection, but it's ver…

I've had good luck with Ubuntu 25.10's builtin remote desktop RDP server. I think it's gnome remote desktop, but I'm not certain. https://github.com/GNOME/gnome-remote-desktop

I will build or buy an IP-based kvm that plugs into my hdmi port and has passthrough for the local monitor before I use GNOME.

I used GNOME for many years, but nearly every UX decision they have made in the past 20 years has been the polar opposite of my desires. I have come to the conclusion that the developers in the GNOME project don't want me using their software and I'm happy to oblige them.

Re: KDE Plasma 6.8 Will Go Wayland-Exclusive in Dropping X11 Session Support

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Post by o11c »

Well, it's been a nice run. I've loved KDE since 2008 because it provided a lot of useful features (though its advantage over GNOME 2 was minimal at the time; it only became the obvious choice with the self-inflicted fall of GNOME 3).

But if KDE is no longer willing to provide the single most important feature of all - actually working in the first place, rather than just denying that bugs exist - I guess I'll have to hunt for a new DE.

It looks like the only serious possibilities are:

  Cinnamon - my gut says this might have the most users? Often cited as the reason to use Linux Mint by people who don't know the difference between a distro and a desktop environment.
  LXQt - apparently has stabilized enough to obsolete LXDE (hopefully it isn't being developed by headless chickens like GNOME and now KDE)
  MATE - why must there be so many GNOME forks? (I know why) ... does this one even have anything to distinguish it?
  Xfce - the longest stable history as its own thing
(all other DEs are known to lack some combination of widespread support and essential features; there are a handful for which it is possible that support will arrive but it is not the case yet, and they will still lose on the "weight of history" stability criterion)
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