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AI Is the Bubble to Burst Them All

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Re: AI Is the Bubble to Burst Them All

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Yeah markets are disconnected from fundamentals. Conduct causal inference with any fundamental metric on forward returns and you'll see they have almost zero predictive ability. That supports the efficient market hypothesis, as do many many other observations. If you could simply "value the market" in some analytical way, then any simple neural network would (universally) approximate it. Instead you see the vast vast…

So how was I able to make money on both crashes this year and buy the bottom in 2022, how did Burry know it was a bubble in 2008, how did Greenspan know it in the late 1990s? Humans act irrationally, they get overconfident and overreach then things pull back, boom/busts in specific industries and whole economies have happened since the beginning of history. We humans only have so many ways to value a company and us i…

> So how was I able to make money

That's called "anecodtatal gambling success" and a lot of smart people suffer from this fallacy.

Applying formal causal inference procedures such as propensity score matching, doubly robust estimators, causal forests, and targeted maximum likelihood estimation (TMLE) to test whether standard fundamental variables like P/E, P/B, EV/EBITDA, ROE, ROA, gross profitability, or free cash flow yield causally influence forward equity returns consistently shows that these metrics exhibit negligible average treatment effects once confounders and colliders are controlled for.

In other words, across modern causal inference frameworks, the estimated causal impact of common fundamental signals on subsequent returns is statistically indistinguishable from zero, which indicates that most traditional fundamentals have no meaningful predictive or causal power for future price performance. There's no alternative opinion to be had. You're just wrong. You can continue gambling if you like, but you're not doing any kind of predictive analysis.

Re: AI Is the Bubble to Burst Them All

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I am split on this, this is definitely a bubble but I don’t know if it’s going to crash or wipe out countries. The problem here is the tech is real and has great promise. This is not AGI but llms can make the promise of robots real, by it may take a long time for it to materialize just like with self driving cars. So the hype can subside but it needs an impetus to slide. It may or may not happen and even if it does,…

> llms can make the promise of robots real I think this is a very large overstatement. Many large problems still exist in robotics which can not be papered over with LLMs. I’m familiar with problems in manipulation and affordable sensing, which will not be solved via llms, and are fundamentally necessary for reliable and safe interaction with the real world. I’m confident there are many others. LLMs probably will hel…

They said AI, not LLMs. I'm not sure how LLMs would help specifically but AI in general is a large field.

Re: AI Is the Bubble to Burst Them All

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Isn't openAI already profitable on inference? I understand training is still costly, but it's not unimaginable for it to turn profitable as well if you think believe they'll generate trillions in value by eliminating millions of jobs.

If you eliminate ONE job and let's say the job pays $100K, in theory at most $100K goes instead to AI revenue. In practice it's a lot less, nobody is going to move everything to AI if it's just a 10% saving. So, to get a trillion in value, you'd have to eliminate many tens or even hundreds of millions of jobs.

Yeah, I think high tens of millions of jobs would be eliminated. Most employers are seat warmers anyways.
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