So fun that the west is moving in a direction where we are subject to all the negatives of both capitalism (wealth consolidation) and socialism (lack of competition).
Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network
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Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m not familiar with the Huawei matter because it’s similar not something I have to concern myself with, but can you point to something specific or a place where I could get some facts on why Huawei is justifiably frowned upon? I have never seen anything but the various broad claims in the news and by politicians that seem to always just kind of come down to “China bad” as evidence. Maybe I just didn’t care enough t…
Look at the Wikipedia article “criticism of Huawei” for a massive list of IP theft, espionage, backdoors and more, including references.
None of this really backs up the idea of "cheap crap", though, or really concerns me as a consumer. Hell, if anything "IP theft" sounds like "competitive product" to my ear. May we all live to see an explosion of IP "theft".
Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network
#83Wonder if this was one of the secret requirements Trump made to avoid more draconian tariffs
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
this is what most WEIRD people do not understand: (Western-Educated-Industrial-Rich-Democratic) - by today it looks like that the Chinese system may proof to be more "performant" on most/several (all?) levels. Its hard to accept for libertarian minds, i guess. Once here on HN someone wrote like: "democratic systems seems to be too slow to adapt in world changing at our current speed". China did some vey wise decision…
This JV obssession is weird, China basically admitted that they can never compete on ICE cars and bet on EVs instead, either this JV model doesn't actually work or what was transferred do not have much value. Now people claim they stole their IPs through JVs and that's why they are good at making EVs, this theory doesn't add up. Also, what China offered is a vast untapped market, no one forced these companies to go t…
As said: They made clever decissions while the greedy western company went into their trap :-)
Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network
#85Whose sovereignity though? And to replace it with what? As almost all 6G kit builds on 5G kit which is at most 40% Huawei FRAND patented.So whatever the path HW gets paid.
As an aside the whole OpenRAN debacle to replcae 5G kit seems to have peterd out after the initial hype. This move also ignores economies of scale - if the rest of the planet is on HW kit lowerig cost even with razor thin margins.The opps Nokia/Ericsson would either have to get massive subsidies to make financial sense or have a worse cost/benefit ratio.
One thing that gets glossed over though , is that the end user speeds/stability arent the main driver for 5/6G advancement (even though thats where all the marketing hype went) of course mobile device connectivity is growing and most users interaction online is primarily mobile. The big draw use case is the industrial and automation applications, where HW has a signifiant lead - from autiomated ports that aut load/unload to automated 'dark factories' that run without human intervention.Thats where the 'real' application is. The other use case for end users most likely will be in the autonomus cars and humanoid robots once they take off to any significant degree.
The only other way to make up the requisite volume from such an endeavor is one that Brussels was floating about a month ago. The Global Gateway funds to assist developing countries will come with ano HW clause.Might just be the final nail in the coffin in EU efforts to retain friends and influence with the rest of the planet.Whose main concern is living a modern life with the infra not requiring you mortgage your childrens future.
Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network
#86Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network
#87Is 6G even a thing? From either a bandwidth demand perspective or a financial perspective? Every US wireless service just about bankrupted themselves rolling out 5G.
> Is 6G even a thing?
Currently being researched:
> 6G aims to achieve higher data rates, lower latency, and greater energy efficiency than 5G.[8] Planned advances include new air interface designs, improved coding and modulation, and reconfigurable intelligent surfaces.[9] Research also explores integration with satellite, Wi-Fi, and non-terrestrial networks, as well as distributed edge computing for AR, VR, and AI applications.[10]
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#88I don't get why Huawei gets specific hate? Shouldn't this equally apply to all Chinese vendors? I wouldn't expect any are less susceptible to government control?
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Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network
#89> “We’ll discuss with industry what we can do, not only to make ourselves independent from China, but also for example independent from the USA, independent from the big tech companies,” Merz said. Good to know it's not just China. > Merz ruled out fully decoupling from China, which is Germany’s second-biggest trading partner. “We can’t do that,” he said. “China can’t do that, but we can do it even less.” And even be…
At the same time they are exploring the use of Palantir and want to use more of Microsofts 365 cloud. This is all just talk. Either there are very real security concerns or someone lobbied heavily.
This is the most incredible thing about it. As soon as Palantir has a foot in the the door of the authorities, only a disaster will be able to get them banned. And that disaster is way past the point of all the citizen's data getting collected and analyzed in real-time, because that's what our authorities want: full insights.