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European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws

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Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws

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Post by Muromec »

andrepd wrote: post #45
thewebguyd wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> civil society and privacy advocacy groups always need to stay vigilant and keep mobilizing people. It's an attrition game. In a game of cat and mouse, the cat only has to win once.

Literally so, because the European """Parliament""" is the only institution with this name that I'm aware of that does not have the power to introduce laws . Which means it doesn't have the power to repeal them. In other words, the Commission can propose laws as many times as they want, and if they pass even once, the Parliament has no power to repeal it.

Parliament can rewrite the wording of the law in the committees any way they want, including by making them state the opposite.

The tricky part is getting commission and the council also sign off on that.

Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws

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Post by naIak »

philjohn wrote: post #62
flir wrote: post #18

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China's target is 2060.

China doesn't have one side of the political spectrum trying to shutter any talk of renewables, they're just installing them at breakneck speed.

We just need to execute the side of the political spectrum that we don't like. That way society will really get ahead.

Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws

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Post by naIak »

basisword wrote: post #49
logifail wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't want EU to fall behind further in the AI race Unless something changes, that's going to continue :( According to Jensen Huang, "the AI race" will be determined primarily by the price of electricity.[0] Until very recently the EU stated that being carbon neutral by 2050 was of overriding importance[1]. Which is it? [0] https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intell... [1] https://climate.ec.eur…

>> Until very recently the EU stated that being carbon neutral by 2050 was of overriding importance[1]. I'm ok with that. Not every continent/country/economic bloc has to have the same goals. Competing with the US or China in the 'AI race' is a race you're probably going to lose anyway. And it's going to make fuck all difference to the vast majority of the population anyway. Healthcare, education, life/work balance.…

>Healthcare, education, life/work balance. All much more important and don't require competing in the 'AI race'.

Neither of which will improve by us being "carbon neutral".

Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws

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Post by Muromec »

jnurmine wrote: post #14

"Draft changes would create new exceptions for AI companies that would allow them to legally process special categories of data (like a person’s religious or political beliefs, ethnicity or health data) to train and operate their tech." Fully anonymized health data I can somehow understand, but what kind of AI needs to be trained with "a person's religious or political beliefs [or] ethnicity", anonymized or not?

>but what kind of AI needs to be trained with "a person's religious or political beliefs [or] ethnicity", anonymized or not?

It's a category thing. There is personal data and then there is sensitive personal data, which is the enumerated list you quoted.

Snarky non-answer reply is of course -- the kind of ШІ that makes autistic roman salutes and accelerates from 0 to 1933.

Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws

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Post by spwa4 »

jmholla wrote: post #2

Original title: Brussels knifes privacy to feed the AI boom

Why do you doubt that is exactly what is happening? The EU governments are demanding to view all communications by it's citizens AND has given itself the right to use all sorts of AI technology (like facial recognition) on private data (like faces for example). Privacy protection, even for your medical records, only exists against private companies. Which means that the people you want privacy from, your medical insurance, which is part of the government nearly everywhere in Europe, both has access and can do with the data whatever it wants under EU legislation.

Does anyone seriously expect EU legislation will protect people from the obvious: training AI on chat messages and then using violence (ie. police action) just based on online messages?

Oh right.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/policing-speech-online-germany-...

Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws

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Post by whimsicalism »

Muromec wrote: post #77
whimsicalism wrote: post #29

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Depending on the class of carbon offset, I think the comparison with indulgences is unnecessarily critical when it actually does net fewer emissions.

The comparison is spot on -- if you smoke sigs and pay somebody who doesn't, you will still get cancer and the other person can get it too if you breath it out into their face. Until there is no commercial carbon capture, it's all scam and accounting tricks. Sure, paying somebody else to decarbonise instead of yourself works in decarbonisign somebody else, but the emissions should drop across the board all the way to…

> The comparison is spot on -- if you smoke sigs and pay somebody who doesn't, you will still get cancer and the other person can get it too if you breath it out into their face.

Right - carbon emissions aren't internalized in the same way as cigarettes.

Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws

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Post by Muromec »

rapsey wrote: post #30
BrenBarn wrote: post #11

I'm always boggled by the logic of thinking that somehow having big companies going around doing harmful actions to people is "good for the economy" or "keeps us competitive". If having strict AI regulations means AI companies leave Europe, that's good ! I wish we could do the same and get them to leave the US. These big AI companies are bad . We shouldn't want them, we shouldn't try to attract them, we shouldn't pro…

What harmful actions?

Tech layoffs and electricity price increases are pretty harmful even if legal and non-violent.

Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws

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Post by Muromec »

andrepd wrote: post #40
logifail wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't want EU to fall behind further in the AI race Unless something changes, that's going to continue :( According to Jensen Huang, "the AI race" will be determined primarily by the price of electricity.[0] Until very recently the EU stated that being carbon neutral by 2050 was of overriding importance[1]. Which is it? [0] https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intell... [1] https://climate.ec.eur…

Keeping the planet habitable, or making line go up? Truly a difficult choice... More seriously: what is the benefit for the citizens of Europe to chase trends? AI is shaping up to be a bubble. Even if "market remains irrational longer than you stay solvent", what is the purpose? Clean air, clean water, all that has value. Line going up, what does it give me?

>More seriously: what is the benefit for the citizens of Europe to chase trends?

If you sit out the trend, somebody else will have more money (or bigger army, or just an army that can actually shoot at things and people) and you will not be able to choose what trends to chase.

Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws

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Post by basisword »

naIak wrote: post #83
basisword wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> Until very recently the EU stated that being carbon neutral by 2050 was of overriding importance[1]. I'm ok with that. Not every continent/country/economic bloc has to have the same goals. Competing with the US or China in the 'AI race' is a race you're probably going to lose anyway. And it's going to make fuck all difference to the vast majority of the population anyway. Healthcare, education, life/work balance.…

>Healthcare, education, life/work balance. All much more important and don't require competing in the 'AI race'. Neither of which will improve by us being "carbon neutral".

I think taking care of the environment rather than burning through resources needlessly will improve life for us. But if you're looking for a more specific example, moving to renewable energy and getting off Russian gas and oil would be beneficial in many ways for Europe and at a most basic level would hopefully eventually lead to lower and more predictable energy prices for consumers.

Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws

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Post by throw20251110 »

Muromec wrote: post #75
throw20251110 wrote: post #65

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Who's going to pay your pension. Hopefully you have 10 kids. They all want free money, no work, more perks. But who pays for it... maybe "the state". We're pricing ourselves out of the market and guys like the one above clap. Crazy world.

While everybody is fixated on fertility rate, the actual thing important for pensions is the pyramid. And the demographics pyramid of the EU (West of it least) looks pretty ok (not great, not terrible) from 20 y.o upwards. It's not sustainable forever and it rubs the fascists the wrong way for obvious reasons, but it's not even half that bad that the 1.20 number makes you imagine. It's also very much possible this is…

Incels in their 20s already scream they feel mistreated and don't want to hold the social construct. Let's fix the pyramid by importing more people on boats. Maybe they'll work for us.
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