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European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws

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Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws

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It's a tricky balance to strike. I don't want EU to fall behind further in the AI race, and I do want them to be more competitive in the tech landscape. At the moment, EU really isn't competitive in tech (and neither in tech salaries) and it leads to a certain amount of 'brain drain' as people move abroad. So while I do understand the need for regulations, they shouldn't regulate themselves into irrelevance. I don't…

>I don't want EU to fall behind further in the AI race

Buddy, EU didn’t even sign up for the race

Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws

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post #15
post #6

I like the EU, but what's annoying about things like this, or the Chat Control law that keeps getting pushed, is that civil society and privacy advocacy groups always need to stay vigilant and keep mobilizing people. It's an attrition game. I wonder what harm companies are even claiming. But honestly makes perfect sense that Germany's current conservative government is in favor of it. Giant GDP boosts are always just…

> Giant GDP boosts are always just one deregulation away, hm? Honestly, reducing the complexity of incorporating and paying taxes in Germany would quickly improve the dire situation of startups here. It's so bad right now that a tax advisor straight up told me to move to a less business-hostile country.

Usually people quit when they have to go to a notary the first time, impressive that you held out.

Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws

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post #5

It's a tricky balance to strike. I don't want EU to fall behind further in the AI race, and I do want them to be more competitive in the tech landscape. At the moment, EU really isn't competitive in tech (and neither in tech salaries) and it leads to a certain amount of 'brain drain' as people move abroad. So while I do understand the need for regulations, they shouldn't regulate themselves into irrelevance. I don't…

Another factor in being competitive in artificial intelligence is the price of electricity, which is four times higher in the EU than in the US. Changing this would require a break with the “green industrial complex”, which is close to untouchable (to many EU politicians).

Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws

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post #6

I like the EU, but what's annoying about things like this, or the Chat Control law that keeps getting pushed, is that civil society and privacy advocacy groups always need to stay vigilant and keep mobilizing people. It's an attrition game. I wonder what harm companies are even claiming. But honestly makes perfect sense that Germany's current conservative government is in favor of it. Giant GDP boosts are always just…

What do you mean abroad? I don't think anyone is considering moving to the USA. But maybe you mean a different country?

I actually see a large stream of people moving to the US. Europe is doomed.

Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws

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Biggest problem is you need two types economy at once.

You need the big paradigm shifts that come from an innovation economy; for that, capital must flow easily, risk-taking (both companies and individuals) be rewarded not punished, and a stable job is kind of a bad thing (people get too comfortable)..

Meanwhile in more mature sectors, job security (so people can have mortgages and families) and market stability should be fostered and corporate overreach & power be checked.

Advanced economies are a mix of sectors which need almost opposite policy.

Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws

#27
post #5

It's a tricky balance to strike. I don't want EU to fall behind further in the AI race, and I do want them to be more competitive in the tech landscape. At the moment, EU really isn't competitive in tech (and neither in tech salaries) and it leads to a certain amount of 'brain drain' as people move abroad. So while I do understand the need for regulations, they shouldn't regulate themselves into irrelevance. I don't…

Another factor in being competitive in artificial intelligence is the price of electricity, which is four times higher in the EU than in the US. Changing this would require a break with the “green industrial complex”, which is close to untouchable (to many EU politicians).

> Changing this would require a break with the “green industrial complex”, which is close to untouchable (to many EU politicians).

I’m sure like with everything “green” they can get around having to use cheaper, dirty energy by buying enough indulgences^w carbon offsets.

Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws

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post #5

It's a tricky balance to strike. I don't want EU to fall behind further in the AI race, and I do want them to be more competitive in the tech landscape. At the moment, EU really isn't competitive in tech (and neither in tech salaries) and it leads to a certain amount of 'brain drain' as people move abroad. So while I do understand the need for regulations, they shouldn't regulate themselves into irrelevance. I don't…

Another factor in being competitive in artificial intelligence is the price of electricity, which is four times higher in the EU than in the US. Changing this would require a break with the “green industrial complex”, which is close to untouchable (to many EU politicians).

I think there are plenty of ways to provide cheaper green power in Europe, if it is permitted.

In general, I don't understand the need to colocate data centers with the companies programming them - I'm sure there are many jurisdictions other than the US or EU that could spin up cheaper power.

Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another factor in being competitive in artificial intelligence is the price of electricity, which is four times higher in the EU than in the US. Changing this would require a break with the “green industrial complex”, which is close to untouchable (to many EU politicians).

> Changing this would require a break with the “green industrial complex”, which is close to untouchable (to many EU politicians). I’m sure like with everything “green” they can get around having to use cheaper, dirty energy by buying enough indulgences^w carbon offsets.

Depending on the class of carbon offset, I think the comparison with indulgences is unnecessarily critical when it actually does net fewer emissions.

Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws

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I'm always boggled by the logic of thinking that somehow having big companies going around doing harmful actions to people is "good for the economy" or "keeps us competitive". If having strict AI regulations means AI companies leave Europe, that's good ! I wish we could do the same and get them to leave the US. These big AI companies are bad . We shouldn't want them, we shouldn't try to attract them, we shouldn't pro…

What harmful actions?
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