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Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by bongodongobob »

icameron wrote: post #71
ToValueFunfetti wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cable everything is dead. FOX is doing relatively well, but they reach maybe 1% or 2% of the population, and presumably that's almost all already unshifting right-wing people. I'm not saying it's impossible that it's a propaganda power center, but I don't personally know how that would work. It feels like a leftover enemy from the early 2000s that just doesn't make sense post-internet.

"According to data from Nielsen, Fox News — from the period spanning June 20 through Sept. 1 — finished as the no. 1 network in all of broadcast television during the primetime hours of 8-11 PM. During those hours, Fox News averaged 2.43 million total nightly viewers in primetime — topping ABC at 2.38 million, NBC at 2.21 million, and CBS at 2.03 million. It is the second time in the network’s history they accomplish…

Exactly. Come to the Midwest and you'll see Fox News on in bars, oil change waiting rooms, dentist offices, etc. The other thing to keep in mind is that thanks to the electoral college, that percentage of viewers translates to a higher percentage of electoral votes.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by seneca »

piker wrote: post #67

It seems like the golden age of freedom is behind us for now, and we’re going to descend for a while back into nationalism and authoritarianism

While I agree with you about rising authoritarianism, I'm confused what this has to do with nationalism. Chat Control is being created by the EU, a supranational organization. If anything, this sort of transnational authoritarianism is a bigger threat, and likely to promote nationalist backlash.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by gobdovan »

piker wrote: post #67

It seems like the golden age of freedom is behind us for now, and we’re going to descend for a while back into nationalism and authoritarianism

Funniest part is, current EU politicians are setting these systems up just as nationalist and authoritarian politicians (their adversaries) start to dominate the scene. Introducing this now seems like self-sabotage.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by anikom15 »

noduerme wrote: post #20

Questions for people who have used phones in China: How hard is it to disable the state spyware on a phone you buy there? Can you buy a phone from outside China, put in a Chinese SIM card, and do everything over a VPN? Or will they shut down your connection?

The Chinese SIM is the key. If you are a foreigner and want to use a phone, either use a burner phone with a Chinese SIM or use international roaming with a non-Chinese SIM. You should not use a Chinese SIM.

Other restrictions are tied to the account which are based on the region of the Apple account, so any phone with a Chinese account will have various restrictions.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by jonaharagon »

anikom15 wrote: post #75
jonaharagon wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Totally. This is exactly the problem with things like Chat Control in the EU and KOSA in the US. They will just introduce the same bill over and over and over again until they get the desired result. What we need is for legislatures to pass "NO Chat Control" and "NO KOSA" bills that specifically block this behavior, but unsurprisingly governments don't seem to be too keen about limiting their own rights, only those o…

In Britain, such a thing is not even possible because no Parliament can limit the power of a future Parliament.

True, and this is also the case in many other countries. Even if it is revocable by future legislation though, having pro-privacy laws on the books to prevent the current executive powers-that-be from abusing them would still be helpful.

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Post by jjangkke »

Weird the countries that are all in agreement with chat control all have migration/integration related problems now at odds with local european population that have grown fatigue to the excessive empathy and virtue signaling that have eroded their own identity and safety.

Could it be that this is a last ditched attempt to presumably stop a civil war that seems to be brewing by predominantly muslim vs european populations?

If this isn't a sign that the integration and the multicultural experiment has failed completely in Europe then I don't know what. A free democratic society that is peaceful would never need wide surveillance net like this.

It seems that non of the HN comments touch on the internal demographic tensions that has been going on for quite sometime. Western Europe and Scandinavia reminds me very much of Lebanon before civil war broke out between the Muslims and Christians.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by deadbabe »

Sometimes I think if this stuff ever got really bad, abandoning smart phones altogether wouldn’t be so bad.

I’m already taking most photos with a dedicated digital camera and they are so much better than phone captured images. I hate social media these days and am waiting to give myself a reason to delete all the apps and my accounts entirely. The internet is a shithole, most my search is done through LLMs and my interaction with people is through comment sections. I have no interest in being in group chats, I’d rather meet up with people in person and socialize that way.

It’s not the end of the world if smartphones just become a convenient way for governments to track you, there is totally a different way to live without them, and maybe it’s simple and beautiful.

If you really have a serious use case for peer to peer end to end encryption, you should be using something like Meshtastic.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by piker »

seneca wrote: post #82
piker wrote: post #67

It seems like the golden age of freedom is behind us for now, and we’re going to descend for a while back into nationalism and authoritarianism

While I agree with you about rising authoritarianism, I'm confused what this has to do with nationalism. Chat Control is being created by the EU, a supranational organization. If anything, this sort of transnational authoritarianism is a bigger threat, and likely to promote nationalist backlash.

I meant them as independent threats.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by jihadjihad »

zmmmmm wrote: post #57

Of all the arguments presented I'm surprised to see absent the one that seems most obvious to me: encryption is just math, there's no way to actually ban it. If criminals think their conversations are going to be detected they aren't going to just say "oh well let's not crime now". They are going to simply spin up their own e2e encrypted channels. The software is nearly trivial, the technical barriers are very low -…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_number

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by bongodongobob »

OkayPhysicist wrote: post #44
Marsymars wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"People showing disregard for your privacy" is a matter of scale when going from analog to digital, it's at least not inconsistent. e.g. If you engage in private spoken conversation, most people are not going to treat your conversation as if it's privileged, avoiding any mention of it in casual conversation, and refusing to divulge any details to law enforcement.

You need better friends. Most people I chat with regularly absolutely would not volunteer anything to law enforcement.

Yeah, bullshit. "Tell us this thing or you are going to jail. Might have a trial in a week or a month."

I promise you you aren't the main character in your friends' lives and they will absolutely give up information on you to save their career and their family.

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