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Toothpaste made with keratin may protect and repair damaged teeth: study

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Re: Toothpaste made with keratin may protect and repair damaged teeth: study

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Post by upghost »

buybackoff wrote: post #66

The picture says "enamel-mimicking" and the text says "protective coating that mimics the structure and function of natural enamel", so it looks like a protective layer, not true repair. I've been using a paste with novamin lately, it also creates a protective layer and is also marketed as "repair". I like it and feel some heat when it contacts with teeth, so the chemical reaction must be working. But the marketing l…

> marketing leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

Hard to brush that one off!

[that was brilliant, you missed your calling. I am completely enamled :D]

Re: Toothpaste made with keratin may protect and repair damaged teeth: study

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Post by eth0up »

BenjiWiebe wrote: post #73
eth0up wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hydroxyapatite based paste is incredible, and has astonished a few of my incredulous friends dealing with dental problems. It always seemed very interesting in a cynical way that Sensodyne Repair and Protect has a European version with hydroxyapatite but doesn't offer it in the US. The only reputable US brand I'm aware of is Dr Collins Biomin, which is excellent but weak on the hydroxyapatite. I'll be abused for it h…

What product(s) do you recommend? I'm in the US.

Either Biomin, or my first choice, Apagard (from Japan).

Biomin is cleaner, but weaker.

I generally choose Apagard though. If you do too, the Premio is a good version with a substantial hydroxyapatite content.

Try to buy from a reputable seller if Apagard. I'd not worry about Biomin much.

Edit: also note that these are rinseless pastes, intended to remain on the teeth for as long as they linger. This is where Biomin has an advantage, being cleaner. Spitting is fine, but rinsing will reduce efficacy.

Edit II: Some will wail in disagreement. I think a waterjet can literally add years to the average lifespan while helping with oral health. Maybe consider one, with simple design and minimal features.

Re: Toothpaste made with keratin may protect and repair damaged teeth: study

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Post by chucky_z »

BenjiWiebe wrote: post #73
eth0up wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hydroxyapatite based paste is incredible, and has astonished a few of my incredulous friends dealing with dental problems. It always seemed very interesting in a cynical way that Sensodyne Repair and Protect has a European version with hydroxyapatite but doesn't offer it in the US. The only reputable US brand I'm aware of is Dr Collins Biomin, which is excellent but weak on the hydroxyapatite. I'll be abused for it h…

What product(s) do you recommend? I'm in the US.

Smart mouth has a flouride + hydroxyapetite. I’ve been using it for a few months now and all my tooth pain is completely gone. I’ve been dealing with issues for years and have a wonderful dentist but really had to get myself in shape and brush 2x and really floss correctly. Anyway, that toothpaste also helped compared to only stannous fluoride paste.

Re: Toothpaste made with keratin may protect and repair damaged teeth: study

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Post by chucky_z »

iaw wrote: post #29

I recently started using a nano-hydroxyapatite based toothpaste. It can't restore enamel but does better at remineralization than fluoride, hopefully it will be a good intermediate for me until something regenerative is available.

To everyone reading this you should still use flouride! Flouride and nanohydroxyapetite together both strengthen the outside layer of your teeth while strengthening the inside of them. Either alone is good, both together are great.

Re: Toothpaste made with keratin may protect and repair damaged teeth: study

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Post by gamblor956 »

lend000 wrote: post #53
iaw wrote: post #29

I recently started using a nano-hydroxyapatite based toothpaste. It can't restore enamel but does better at remineralization than fluoride, hopefully it will be a good intermediate for me until something regenerative is available.

It seems to me the two are effectively the same unless you have significantly misshaped teeth (remineralizing vs regenerating). I also use hydroxyapatite, just to reduce my fluoride exposure, although I believe fluoride is supposed to be a more potent remineralizer (and fluorapatite is allegedly stronger than natural hydroxyapatite). But the upside is that I don't mind swishing hydroxyapatite around in my mouth for 1…

NHAP particles are smaller than fluoride particles, so they're able to penetrate farther into the porous surface of the teeth; flouride basically can only coat the surface. There is some research indicating that NHAP is more effective than flouride at remineralizing (e.g. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4252862/) but that flouride is more protective than NHAP because NHAP isn't protective at all. (The flouride creates a temporary sacrificial enamel-like shell layer that closes off pores in the surface of the teeth in addition to buffering acids; the NHAP will just create new enamel.)

My dentist says that NHAP is great if you have lots of cavities or drink lots of acidic drinks like soda, but once your enamel is repaired too much of NHAP can actually cause weird growths.

Dave's toothpaste has both NHAP and flouride (and the sensitivity agent used in Sensyodyne) if you're looking for the best of all worlds in the U.S.

Re: Toothpaste made with keratin may protect and repair damaged teeth: study

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Post by gamblor956 »

BenjiWiebe wrote: post #73
eth0up wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hydroxyapatite based paste is incredible, and has astonished a few of my incredulous friends dealing with dental problems. It always seemed very interesting in a cynical way that Sensodyne Repair and Protect has a European version with hydroxyapatite but doesn't offer it in the US. The only reputable US brand I'm aware of is Dr Collins Biomin, which is excellent but weak on the hydroxyapatite. I'll be abused for it h…

What product(s) do you recommend? I'm in the US.

Dave's is available in the U.S. and has NHAP, flouride, and the anti-sensitivity stuff from Sensodyne.

Re: Toothpaste made with keratin may protect and repair damaged teeth: study

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Post by iaw »

chucky_z wrote: post #84
iaw wrote: post #29

I recently started using a nano-hydroxyapatite based toothpaste. It can't restore enamel but does better at remineralization than fluoride, hopefully it will be a good intermediate for me until something regenerative is available.

To everyone reading this you should still use flouride! Flouride and nanohydroxyapetite together both strengthen the outside layer of your teeth while strengthening the inside of them. Either alone is good, both together are great.

Oh! To clarify. I use fluoride in the morning and hydroxyapatite at night.

Re: Toothpaste made with keratin may protect and repair damaged teeth: study

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Post by pimlottc »

eth0up wrote: post #56
iaw wrote: post #29

I recently started using a nano-hydroxyapatite based toothpaste. It can't restore enamel but does better at remineralization than fluoride, hopefully it will be a good intermediate for me until something regenerative is available.

Hydroxyapatite based paste is incredible, and has astonished a few of my incredulous friends dealing with dental problems. It always seemed very interesting in a cynical way that Sensodyne Repair and Protect has a European version with hydroxyapatite but doesn't offer it in the US. The only reputable US brand I'm aware of is Dr Collins Biomin, which is excellent but weak on the hydroxyapatite. I'll be abused for it h…

AFAIK the European version of Sensadyne Repair and Protrct uses Novamin, not Hydroxyapatite. From what I can tell, they are similar but separate chemicals.

While not sold directly in the US, Sensadyne with Novamin is available from Amazon (usually from India).

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