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Re: Kite News

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Post by msqinfo »

burkaman wrote: post #74
freediver wrote: post #2

Kagi founder here. This is prematurely shared and not ready for prime time yet. Official launch with mobile apps will happen soon. Thanks!

Please, please reconsider this product and take it offline for now. The vast majority of "information" in these stories is complete garbage. You are making up numbers, facts, quotes, and entire narratives. I made a list of examples (from just one single story) in another comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44520841 . I don't think a service like this is impossible, but it cannot be done with LLMs. They are…

I've built a similar product (https://www.mosaique.info), but it doesn't rely on LLMs (except for generating a very short summary). I think it offers a wider set of opinions and is much more exhaustive.

Re: Kite News

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Post by olivierduval »

freediver wrote: post #2

Kagi founder here. This is prematurely shared and not ready for prime time yet. Official launch with mobile apps will happen soon. Thanks!

Hi

First, it's a great idea! The "introductory" speech is interesting then... the result is really disappointing :-(

You see: I'm French (and European). So, I don't necessarily consider that "Trump" is the center of the "World" (actually quite the opposite). However, on the "World" tab, 50% of the news are about "Trump". I would have thought that the aim of this kind of newsfeed is to challenge Trump tactic's of "newsroom saturation". In particular in that tab (Trump can be the alpha & omega for the USA tab)

Re: Kite News

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Post by msqinfo »

lemming wrote: post #13
freediver wrote: post #2

Kagi founder here. This is prematurely shared and not ready for prime time yet. Official launch with mobile apps will happen soon. Thanks!

I'm very interested in this, I'm a long term kagi subscriber with the free t-shirt! One thing that would be interesting to explore would be a feed that integrated over a longer timeframe. For example, I subscribe to the guardian weekly, and I like it much more than the daily homepage. News that survives a week tends to be more newsworthy, and there's more scope for the beginnings of retrospective analysis. It would b…

Sorry to plug my product again (from the comment above), but mosaique.info offers filters for three days, a week, a month, and a year (among others).

Re: Kite News

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Post by mvieira38 »

Remember when we paid for Kagi because it was "search"? I was basically an unpaid sponsor of them for the last year or so, but damn this constant pipeline of new shiny stuff is getting on my nerves. How can a company focus on building a good search engine with a good index and algo if they are also developing a translator, an LLM assistant and now a damn news app? Please, Vlad, just build different companies and stop piping my money to these other offerings I didn't ask for

Re: Kite News

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Post by 8organicbits »

I've been thinking a lot about LLMs for RSS categorization. The long tail of feeds have interesting content but rarely tag posts with categories. Planets (like https://planet.ubuntu.com/) are good for finding feeds that post about a certain topic, but without per-post-category metadata, you get off topic stuff mixed in.

There are deeper challenges too, like lack of consistent taxonomy/topic naming, which makes things messy even when categories are present.

I still believe you're better off curating your own feed instead of delegating to AI, but I'm curious to see how Kite evolves.

I'm experimenting with these ideas at https://alexsci.com/rss-blogroll-network/ and https://alexsci.com/blog/rss-categories/ . I hope to publish some more recent ideas soon.

Re: Kite News

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Post by jauntywundrkind »

imiric wrote: post #26
wkat4242 wrote: post #4

> World doesn't live in echo chambers. The reality emerges from the collision of different viewpoints and perspectives - that's how we separate signal from noise To be honest, when people start talking about "echo chambers" it's usually because they are upset that I won't listen to bigoted alt-right hate. For me this term has gained a really negative connotation. I understand the problem but hearing the same tired ra…

Echo chambers exist in all communities, and you may be in one whether or not you're aware of it. The only way to step outside of them, if you're at all interested in doing so, is to experience what's happening in other communities. Sometimes those external viewpoints are extreme, and your instinct might be to ignore them. But I would rather know that they exist and what they are, than to completely isolate myself fro…

Reciprocally though, the mainstreamification of alternative facts has been a constant drumbeat for a decade now.

'Go find your own news/views/facts! The mainstream is bad! The echo chambers: oh no!'

I definitely want a massive diversity of views and opinions. But I'm severely anti-interested in people crusading against consensual reality, anyone who seems to dance around truth. So many alternate views obscure reality.

It's not scalable to go assess all points of view (as how RFK proposed for how individuals should approach medicine). There aren't feedback measures broad enough to delve into whether these are true realities or fabricated ones. There aren't signals abundant enough, we don't share broadly as a public or have trusted agents to help us navigate truth from untruth if we wander broadly. I'd like to see more accountability, more ways of the public registering its own back reaction, its own trust or distrust responses, that anyone can check out

There's so much villainy, so much preying upon people's attention, ruling them up. And telling people that truth is a lie, that the main story is false, that there's a secret truth out there: it's an incredible lure that hooks so many in, and that ability to lie and fabricate is breaking civilization, and breaking people's hearts and minds. The people spinning these bespoke alternate realities are one of the top threats to civilization & order & reason & our decency today.

Re: Kite News

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Post by baggachipz »

pyman wrote: post #44
baggachipz wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Kagi I know would never have ads, much less charge to remove them. I'm pretty confident that this service will be another perk of the main Kagi subscription.

Kagi doesn't have ads because people pay for it. Google Search has ads because it's a free service. https://kagi.com/pricing

I literally said "Kagi subscription" in my post.

Re: Kite News

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Post by bodash »

I’ve also been experimenting with a curated webdev related newsfeed based on HN submissions: lessnews.dev The goal is not to keep users on the site. If some dev visit the site once in a while, and finds a link useful, that’s it.

Re: Kite News

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Post by mvieira38 »

ks2048 wrote: post #24

I clicked on a story and at the bottom, it lists "sources" (19 in this case). Following one of these sources (a lesser-known site), there is an article, and at the end it says "REUTERS". So, I guess its source was another source. Maybe a site like this should try to root-out the "root source" of information - official press releases or press conferences, eye-witness accounts. I think some editorializing is worthwhile…

Offering a non-editorialized solution for news in 2025 is the opposite of what I thought Kagi stood for. They make a "small web" feature and the best fediverse search index, both to highlight human created content, but then make an AI news aggregator? Are we supposed to form communities and read stuff written by people or are we not?
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