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Social drinking also a well-worn path to alcohol use disorder

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Re: Social drinking also a well-worn path to alcohol use disorder

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A => B ≠> A' => B' ≠> A' ≠> B'

Yes that too ... in general of course. ∀ does the heavy lifting.

I'm a big enough man to admit I'm I haven't seen that one in this semester's Discrete Math.

Re: Social drinking also a well-worn path to alcohol use disorder

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If you find yourself in any circumstances and needing a drink, that may be a sign.

Yeah, agreed, although I understand that many people need a drink to feel relaxed in a social setting. It’s the need for a drink when alone - I think thats where the habit turns into abuse.

If they need a drink to feel good in a social setting than maybe it's not a good setting for them. It would be better to find that out rather earlier than after ingesting gallons of literal poison.

Still, I understand your point about needing the alcohol for itself or for something else.

Re: Social drinking also a well-worn path to alcohol use disorder

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Agreed. Alcoholics pregame in order to reduce criticism by reducing the number of beverages they are observed consuming. Once your inhibitions are gone you don’t care as much though.

Pregaming is also typically cheaper than consuming every drink in a setting like a bar, restaurant, or other commercial venue

I would warn you this is a slippery slope.

I buy single serving junk food, because whatever size I get is single serving. And expensive chocolates. The cost is friction.

Re: Social drinking also a well-worn path to alcohol use disorder

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How is that weird? Socialization is generally healthy, which is why there's less of a stigma. It's not like the average alone drinker is doing pushups while shooting whiskey.

You see more unhealthy drinking as less stigmatizing because it's associated with a "generally healthy" activity. That's weird. It'd be like saying eating two burgers with lettuce and tomato is healthier than one without.

Who is comparing 2 burgers to 1 burger.

Re: Social drinking also a well-worn path to alcohol use disorder

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You see more unhealthy drinking as less stigmatizing because it's associated with a "generally healthy" activity. That's weird. It'd be like saying eating two burgers with lettuce and tomato is healthier than one without.

Who is comparing 2 burgers to 1 burger.

My original post compared three drinks to two, and it's a similar unhealthy practice many people engage in.

Re: Social drinking also a well-worn path to alcohol use disorder

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Both can be an issue if you find you can't do without the drinks.

It’s an issue regardless because alcohol gives you cancer. It doesn’t matter if you stick bellow the amount that causes acute health issues. If you are having 2 drinks every night your cancer risk is higher than someone who has a lot more but only on occasion because their total drinks consumed is less.

One day the things that I do with my body and mind will not be subject to capital’s desire to milk as much money as possible out of me through sheer longevity.

Seriously, the moralizing of life expectancy makes no sense. Let us each optimize for our own idea of a good life.

Re: Social drinking also a well-worn path to alcohol use disorder

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"Alcohol use disorder" recalls George Carlin on the evolution of language: "In this classic George Carlin routine, the legendary comedian breaks down how language has been systematically softened over time. From "shell shock" to "battle fatigue" and eventually to "post-traumatic stress disorder," Carlin illustrates how our words have become more complex and less impactful. He argues that Americans have difficulty fac…

The great thing about calling it "alcohol use disorder" is that it lets you diagnose more people. If you're a nonprofit or advocacy group, "alcoholics" are only going to get you so far in terms of funding, also dealing with them is messy and incredibly difficult. If you can shift the overton window on whats considered "problematic" drinking you get to "educate" people and get funding for things which have fewer hard…

People think of “alcoholism” as a binary. It’s not, and the new language reflects this. We absolutely should educate “problematic” drinkers that they are on a sliding slope to an ungroovy dependency.

It also highlights that just because you were classifiable as AUD, you won’t necessarily be so classifiable for the rest of your life.

The language of alcoholism often mirrors sermons of eternal damnation. Not a particularly inspiring starting point for treatment and a big reason why most people who succeed in getting past AUD don’t do it in groups that preach this eternal damnation angle.

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