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Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by lolsowrong »

brokegrammer wrote: post #78
Szpadel wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

wait, you need internet connection to even login? this means root cannot use computer when you do not have internet connection for any reason?

> you need internet connection to even login That's right. It sounds like a bug but this is Microsoft we're talking about here. They're probably brainstorming for ways to lock you from your own computer. You can solve this problem by creating an offline account with Admin privileges after setting up Windows with your online account, but most users won't do that.

This doesn’t seem true. Doesn’t LSASS cache credentials for 30 days?

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by djaychela »

throwaway290 wrote: post #64
samiv wrote: post #45

I'm also 100% convinced Microsoft will introduce mandatory code signing at some point and make it so that you can only ever install software from Windows Store. They are envious of the Google and Apple walled gardens/cashcows and are now determined to turn Windows into one. Windows is no longer a product for users, the users of Windows are the product for Microsoft to be shoved into the Azure sales funnel.

Should be mentioned this is way worse than Apple Having to use an account to get apps from app store (Apple) vs. having to use an account to install and use the OS in the first place (Microsoft) = not even a a competition

Until you need to download something from the app store (happened to me the other day on a mac I wiped and then needed to bring on holiday so now I need to go through the process again afterwards)

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by freehorse »

djaychela wrote: post #82
throwaway290 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should be mentioned this is way worse than Apple Having to use an account to get apps from app store (Apple) vs. having to use an account to install and use the OS in the first place (Microsoft) = not even a a competition

Until you need to download something from the app store (happened to me the other day on a mac I wiped and then needed to bring on holiday so now I need to go through the process again afterwards)

Can you install anything from the windows store without a Microsoft account, or from google play without a google one? I assume this is already the state of affairs since ever, but except iOS all the rest allow you to install stuff outside their stores.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by soraminazuki »

charcircuit wrote: post #74
soraminazuki wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic, which is forcing online authentication. You can't possibly argue that needlessly forcing online authentication makes user safe.

The topic isn't about forcing online authentication. It's about improving security from having users use a Microsoft account. The security improvement of using a Microsoft account comes from Windows Hello.

It is. You can check by reading the title.

Your's is a reiteration of Microsoft's preferred talking point that has no basis in reality. Tying local authentication to the cloud tremendously increases the attack surface for those who don't need it. TPMs do nothing to change this fact. The only connection between a TPM and a Microsoft account is that Microsoft chose to tie those two together for their own benefit.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by squarefoot »

When you're forced online, you become less resistant to products and services being fed from the cloud, then computers can be produced cheaply with less storage and resources, and almost everyone will end up running dumb terminals. It doesn't happen overnight, but more and more people would rather buy a 150 bucks PC plus pay per use services rather than a 250 one that can host and run installed software, then the market would do the rest by making real computers more expensive as they transition to niche products. I'd rather start familiarizing with open and less intrusive operating systems.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by bboygravity »

ashoeafoot wrote: post #60
bboygravity wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the NSA pays them to. Why did they do to Skype what they did (first turn it from p2p to centralized and spyable and then just ignore it and let it die)? Same reason.

i wonder if some Estonian could justvrerelease the p2p originals . After all as america deteriorates its own influence , at some point the lawyers of the big 4 will be seen as barely disguised tendril of a hostile power in Europe . Who cares about your sales contracts if the president goes for Greenland . We might see a SkyEarthFireWater-Open source re-release one day. Just another tradewar anecdote .

America deteriorates its own influence? wut?

The big 4 will be seen as a hostile power within Europe? The big 4 ARE (mostly) European. What are you talking about?

Sales contracts? What do you mean in what context?

I agree that it would be cool if the original p2p Skype somehow resurfaces, but I can't make any sense of the rest of your post or what it has to do with the subject at hand?

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by atemerev »

mythz wrote: post #22

All these user hostile behavior finally tipped me over the edge last year after I started to get Windows 10 EOL popups. No way I was going to "upgrade" to a ad/spyware/subscription ridden MS marketing platform and be constantly nagged at to try out more of their services. Moved to a Fedora Desktop, liberating to move back to an conflict-free OS whose primary focus is to serve its users, imagine that.

Windows is a launcher for games, there is no other use for this system (correction: it still runs some specialized professional software that is too expensive to port). And now, even most of the games work on Linux too.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by hulitu »

codedokode wrote: post #87

What happens if your online Windows account gets banned? How do you log in?

> What happens if your online Windows account gets banned? How do you log in?

Tough, isn't it ? Your security is very important _for us_. Your privacy is very important _for us_. See PayPal, Stripe, Google and other "services" for examples.

To directly answer: I have a Win 10 without MS account. Disk got corrupted, chkdsk cannot repair, cannot boot. Checking messages on screen was something like "online chkdsk failed". Unplugging the ethernet cable "fixed" the issue.

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