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Age Verification Laws: A Backdoor to Surveillance
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#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
we arrest people who have sex in public...
Only the ones who make a display of it (get seen by others). We don't randomly go around asking Papers Please! to everyone on the street.
We do require ID to enter e.g. porn stores and bars though, or to make age restricted purchases.
I also recall walking a few miles to e.g. the mall, target, walmart, etc. without any adults when I was around 10. I'm not sure I'd characterize public spaces as adult oriented by default.
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#83This should be held up as a visceral demonstration of how the "slippery slope" isn't inherently a fallacy, as many oft like to claim: it is merely a form of argument that is easy enough to get wrong--leading to a fallacy when the cause is disconnected--that people have become overly-wary of it, reacting to the premise of the conclusion without even bothering to analyze how steep the slope might be before tuning the i…
Also why "ad hominem" can be legit. Lawmakers' personal beliefs and incentives say a lot more than whatever generic arguments they pick.
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#84Preteen girls using peeling skin cream is a thing where I live. It causes skin damage. Tiktok bs.
How is a preteen girl ordering products from a website?
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#85Our state-issued eID cards are supposed to have a function that allows anonymous age verification to a trusted party. It should work like this: a requesting party sends a request signed by state-issued certificate to the ID card, the card verifies the request authenticity and responds with a signed confirmation of legal age and that signature then can be verified by the requester.
No personal information is shared.
While I do not aggree with pervasive age restrictions, this is a nice technical solution to privacy preserving age verification
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#86age verification should be backed into the browser and not into websites. parents should be able to access a (password protected) setting in any browser that can exclude some types of websites (like porn). governments should be free to go after any website not respecting that setting. but forcing the age-verification onto websites is just moronic.
Age verification should be baked into the parenting.
It's about the only place it might have the intended effect anyway, and has the advantage of not enabling mass surveillance.
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#87Our state-issued eID cards are supposed to have a function that allows anonymous age verification to a trusted party. It should work like this: a requesting party sends a request signed by state-issued certificate to the ID card, the card verifies the request authenticity and responds with a signed confirmation of legal age and that signature then can be verified by the requester. No personal information is shared. W…
Just curious: 1) which country/eID is this? and 2) does it send the date of birth back, or does it perform a zero-knowledge proof that the date of birth is greater or equal than a given value (current date minus age requirement)?
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#88This should be held up as a visceral demonstration of how the "slippery slope" isn't inherently a fallacy, as many oft like to claim: it is merely a form of argument that is easy enough to get wrong--leading to a fallacy when the cause is disconnected--that people have become overly-wary of it, reacting to the premise of the conclusion without even bothering to analyze how steep the slope might be before tuning the i…
The slippery slope fallacy is not just the argument style, it is when the argument style is used by the event being held up as a cause is not justifiably believed to be likely to lead to the cited effect. (It is an informal fallacy, rather than a deductive fallacy, and, as such, requires evaluation of evidence, not mere shape of the argument.)
Also, neither deductive nor informal fallacies mean that the conclusion of an argument is wrong, in any case, so the conclusion of an argument being right does not disprove (or even provide strong counterevidence) that the argument contained a fallacy. Fallacies are about whether and to what degree a conclusion is supported by the reasoning (and evidence, in the case of informal fallacies) offered to support it, not about whether or not it is true.
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#89age verification should be backed into the browser and not into websites. parents should be able to access a (password protected) setting in any browser that can exclude some types of websites (like porn). governments should be free to go after any website not respecting that setting. but forcing the age-verification onto websites is just moronic.
it would be less terrible if there were some simple, Apple ID-like way to simply get redirected to a govt website, put in your driver's license, and the website only gets a token back that says "yes over age/no underage". The data already exists, it's what bars use to scan IDs with handheld readers IIRC.
The biggest selling point of those handheld readers bars use is to gather data from your ID, not to in any way verify your age. It's the exact opposite of what you said.
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#90"no method of age verification is both privacy-protective and entirely accurate."
No method of age verification is entirely actuate. It seem a hardline stance that we can't think up a process that would allow for a reasonable level of accuracy with privacy. It could literally be drawing a usb token from a bucket full of them after a human at the DMV visually checks your license.