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Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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Just under 30 years ago, when I was starting my IT studies, I had an older colleague who was a great authority to me. When I began learning about RDBMS options, I called him to ask, „What do you think about Oracle?”. He just shouted, „Total crap!!!” and that was enough for me. Since then, to this day, I’ve never touched Oracle.

I don't think it's necessarily fair to say Oracle is total crap. For decades they were more performant and had more features than most anything else on the market. They supported scale-out clustering on linux with Oracle RAC. They were early adopters of high performance NFS moving the NFS stack out of the linux kernel and directly into the database with DirectNFS. They built a clustered filesystem for block-based clu…

Yeah every argument about Oracle being bad is business related, not tech.

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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I appreciate Ryan taking this up, and the updates are interesting. Obviously I'm not paying for the lawyers but it feels like "oh Oracle is trying to add months of delays" feels pretty normal. Only months! If the process just trudges along for a couple of years before reaching a "good" conclusion, still worth doing! And very happy that this is an actual legal proceeding and "try to sign a petition asking Oracle nicel…

> [0]: Again, I'm not paying for the lawyers or doing anything useful at all!

It sucks that these kinds of disclaimers are necessary these days. I've also had more than my fair share of "you're not helping so you don't get to have an opinion"

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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post #70
post #64

Just under 30 years ago, when I was starting my IT studies, I had an older colleague who was a great authority to me. When I began learning about RDBMS options, I called him to ask, „What do you think about Oracle?”. He just shouted, „Total crap!!!” and that was enough for me. Since then, to this day, I’ve never touched Oracle.

I don't think it's necessarily fair to say Oracle is total crap. For decades they were more performant and had more features than most anything else on the market. They supported scale-out clustering on linux with Oracle RAC. They were early adopters of high performance NFS moving the NFS stack out of the linux kernel and directly into the database with DirectNFS. They built a clustered filesystem for block-based clu…

People either love or hate Oracle back then. I was in the love group. However, in recent days, Oracle is pretty irrelevant, imho.

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's necessarily fair to say Oracle is total crap. For decades they were more performant and had more features than most anything else on the market. They supported scale-out clustering on linux with Oracle RAC. They were early adopters of high performance NFS moving the NFS stack out of the linux kernel and directly into the database with DirectNFS. They built a clustered filesystem for block-based clu…

Yeah every argument about Oracle being bad is business related, not tech.

Mmm, one of the most memorable stories I've ever read on HN is about Oracle being bad at tech.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18442941

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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Anyone else read the article and say Oracle JET? What is that?

It's their JS UI components library. Gets used in oracle apps. Very comprehensive in terms of covering all you need. Another comment opines on its technical soundness.

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

which switches the backend from Chromium to Trident, effectively turning it into IE with a modern skin I wish they'd done the opposite instead: same UI, but with a better browser engine.

> better browser engine I'm confused. Are you saying Chromium or Trident browser engine is better? And, in 2025, is there a better engine than Chromium?

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Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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I've always been fascinated by Larry Ellison ever since I read his biography (God something something). What's insane is how much of the culture he controls. In tech and outside. He's about to own the largest entertainment company, he owns some of the best real estate in the world, and he owns MySQL and Java. Genius (or maybe evil genius).

And he's pretty well installed in the White House this term too, especially with his role in Stargate and TikTok.

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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I hope this is good marketing for Deno and not just a huge distraction. I feel like Bun is running circles around them right now. I feel like there might even be room for 3 winners (Bun, Deno, Node) but I don't understand the point of this. If Deno wins this battle will that make we want use Deno more?

I think it's a passion project for the founder, who built his career on JS and is offended that Oracle (a company famous for deploying lawyers instead of technological expertise) claims to control it.

I think it's a little more than a passion project since it's posted on the official deno blog. I don't think it's a net negative of a pursuit, but I follow the founder of bun on twitter and he just keeps shipping shit whereas the most I hear from Deno is this lawsuit.

I'm not saying Deno doesn't have merits, I just wonder if this is the thing they should be focused on

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