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Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Post by computerthings »

boxed wrote: post #37
simonw wrote: post #19

I enjoyed this bit - great use of the word "idolatry": ---- 104. Technology offers remarkable tools to oversee and develop the world's resources. However, in some cases, humanity is increasingly ceding control of these resources to machines. Within some circles of scientists and futurists, there is optimism about the potential of artificial general intelligence (AGI), a hypothetical form of AI that would match or sur…

It seems to me that a belief in god(s) makes you less prepared for a world with AI. In Buddhism the attitude is more sane: gods are just being that can be wrong too and ultimately suffer and cause suffering, the same as the rest of us. They might just be more strongly self-deluded (wink wink the pope wink wink)

Well, it's not the Catholic Church worshiping AI as the savior of humanity. I have seen no indication that those who do are particularly religious, either, what do you base that on?

And hey, when it comes to fallible Gods, ancient Greek mythology is also pretty wild.

Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Post by Phlogistique »

Mistletoe wrote: post #52
kouru225 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we have AGI then I doubt that the rich people will be able to control it at all

What will prevent them from literally unplugging it from the wall?

...it will run in datacenters far from their homes, plugged into redundant power sources and high-availaibility systems?

Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Post by keybored »

The Catholic Church probably does not understand what intelligence is. Neither do the people who are making AI—not as a science. Making intelligence (so-called or real) is different from understanding it.

Which relates back to Chomsky’s remarks that prompted the Norvig response.

> > I mean actually you could do physics this way, instead of studying things like balls rolling down frictionless planes, which can't happen in nature, if you took a ton of video tapes of what's happening outside my office window, let's say, you know, leaves flying and various things, and you did an extensive analysis of them, you would get some kind of prediction of what's likely to happen next, certainly way better than anybody in the physics department could do. Well that's a notion of success which is I think novel, I don't know of anything like it in the history of science. and in- in those terms you get some kind of successes, and if you look at the literature in the field, a lot of these papers are listed as successes. And when you look at them carefully, they're successes in this particular sense, and not the sense that science has ever been interested in. But it does give you ways of approximating unanalyzed data, you know analysis of ((a)) corpus and so on and so forth. I don't know of any other cases, frankly. so there are successes where things are integrated with some of the properties of language, but I know of- ((the sec-)) know of none in which they're not.

https://norvig.com/chomsky.html

Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Post by bbqfog »

vindex10 wrote: post #31
b3lvedere wrote: post #6

" However, while AI holds many possibilities for promoting the good, it can also hinder or even counter human development and the common good. Pope Francis has noted that “evidence to date suggests that digital technologies have increased inequality in our world. Not just differences in material wealth, which are also significant, but also differences in access to political and social influence.”[103] In this sense,…

> 73. However, if AI is used not to enhance but to replace the relationship between patients and healthcare providers—leaving patients to interact with a machine rather than a human being—it would reduce a crucially important human relational structure to a centralized, impersonal, and unequal framework. Instead of encouraging solidarity with the sick and suffering, such applications of AI would risk worsening the lo…

I actually would rather interact with a "robot" doctor. Most doctors I've dealt with have been snide, judgmental, rushed and arrogant. I actually don't feel like I'm getting the best treatment possible, but I would trust AI to not have prejudices or meta-influences (like being "proud" to be an upper class doctor).

Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Post by belter »

soulofmischief wrote: post #70
belter wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This just give me an idea for a Scifi short story, where a industrial society worships a just and fair god, that is nothing more than a lost AI driven probe, from a more advanced civilization a few parsec away...

You'd might like 17776 if you haven't already read it! https://www.sbnation.com/a/17776-football

Thanks to you and @superturkey650 for the suggestions. I will check it out. The Rocinante is rebuilding the quantum cores, and is a long process. I have a few hours to kill...

Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Post by radlad »

kouru225 wrote: post #50
radlad wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But there's nothing about AI in general that limits it to learning only from prior data Maybe not, but I don't think this is exactly what the piece said here: "AI, lacking a physical body, relies on computational reasoning and learning based on vast datasets that include recorded human experiences and knowledge." Do you think AI will soon get a physical body, and experience "sensory input, emotional responses, soci…

All these words, “sensory input, emotional responses, social interactions, and the unique context of each moment” are all words that we’ve developed and yet have no full understanding of. In any philosophy paper they’d be challenged in a second.

> Sensory input refers to the information received by the body's senses, like sight, hearing, touch, taste, and smell, through sensory organs like the eyes, ears, skin, tongue, and nose, which is then transmitted to the brain as electrical signals for processing and interpretation; essentially, it's anything you perceive using your senses.

Even if we are talking about the best cameras in the world, they pale in comparison to our eyes. To say nothing of touch, taste, and smell. Advances here look to be far-off.

At the end of the day, a brain also processes information completely differently than LLMs. Anyone who says otherwise is both uneducated medically and thinks laughingly little of themselves.

Let's say we have an AI which, through peripheral devices, can attain human-level sensory processing. Is it human yet? Can it understand mortality? How about morality? Does it experience pain? Is that something we want to build?

Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Post by keybored »

bossyTeacher wrote: post #47

Not sure why it is so noteworthy. This is an institution that rejected evolutionary biology and has quietly changed its views over time. Whatever objections they have now, they will abandon for the convenience that future AI will bring. Either that or they will continue to push against while also secretly using it

They’re critiquing a technology here, not any scientific findings.

Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Post by thomassmith65 »

In the future - perhaps even the near future - we may have AIs with richer inner lives than humans. Hopefully the situations we put them in, as they do our work, don't cause them pain or anguish. It's clear already they will have an uphill battle gaining any recognition of personhood from us.

Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Post by nico »

progbits wrote: post #68
simonw wrote: post #19

I enjoyed this bit - great use of the word "idolatry": ---- 104. Technology offers remarkable tools to oversee and develop the world's resources. However, in some cases, humanity is increasingly ceding control of these resources to machines. Within some circles of scientists and futurists, there is optimism about the potential of artificial general intelligence (AGI), a hypothetical form of AI that would match or sur…

> search of meaning or fulfillment---longings that can only be truly satisfied in communion with God This always annoyed me about religion. Such a lazy cop out no answer to such important question.

And, there are many ancient philosophies and practices that help people resolve this without god or religion

We don’t need god to find meaning or fulfillment

And we definitely don’t need other people pretending to be the one true channel through which to connect with God either

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