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Re: SSH Remoting

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Post by larodi »

IshKebab wrote: post #64
krelian wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is answered in their FAQ: https://zed.dev/faq : We envision Zed as a free-to-use editor, supplemented by subscription-based, optional network features, such as: Channels and calls Chat Channel notes We plan to offer our collaboration features to open source teams, free of charge.

This seems pretty optimistic to me. I can't imagine any company I've worked for paying for those things. Especially because they're only going to be useful if everyone uses Zed which is unlikely.

Indeed seems very uncommon where I am, even the IntelliJ’s are more often pirated than paid for.

From my perspective it is very weird to expect to beat MS (who produces two great IDE’s, not one) on their own game with this approach to dev.

I’m not saying it’s impossible to have the most important features replicated, but, c’mon, this is software, it breaks as it builds and some things are not possible Overnight even if you have the worlds top top top talent around.

Re: SSH Remoting

#82

Post by ktosobcy »

I've tried zed again and it's kinda "meh" when it comes to Java development. It's kinda nice editor (but BBedit feels even faster) but nothing more and using it feels like an added friction...

Re: SSH Remoting

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Post by lifthrasiir »

coldtea wrote: post #76
lifthrasiir wrote: post #34

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By bundling, Zed guarantees or at least claims that those bundled executables can be trusted. The same level of trust is possible with on-demand downloading only when some sort of authentication is used [1] but Zed currently doesn't actually authenticate any downloads to my knowledge. [1] Either by embedding cryptographic hashes to the distribution, or by having some means to distribute publicly signed hashes (e.g. m…

> By bundling, Zed guarantees or at least claims that those bundled executables can be trusted As if anyone at Zed cares and checks them all thoroughly? Even if they wanted they couldn't, given how expansive Node dependencies get. At best, someone will report an issue/vulnerability for one of those to them. Usually months/years after it exists.

Well, in any case Zed would be morally responsible for that issue or vulnerability, in the way that they have to at least push a new version that fixes it or prevents the download of affected dependencies. (I don't expect any legal responsibility to be clear.) Bundling at least makes Zed more conscious about what to include, even though it is unreasonable to expect that they've checked every details.

Re: SSH Remoting

#85

Post by Philip-J-Fry »

jbrr wrote: post #75
IshKebab wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems pretty optimistic to me. I can't imagine any company I've worked for paying for those things. Especially because they're only going to be useful if everyone uses Zed which is unlikely.

Really? I’ve had employers pay for my Jetbrains subscription.

With Jetbrains you're paying for the IDE.

Zed's vision is that the editor is free and you're paying basically for Teams-lite.

If you're a big company, you're already using a service like Teams, Slack, Zoom, etc.

If you're a small company, then there's free alternatives like Discord.

And say you want to talk to someone other than a programmer, then you'd need something else anyway. Because a project manager wouldn't need an IDE installed.

Re: SSH Remoting

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Post by herval »

ecmascript wrote: post #78
jbrr wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? I’ve had employers pay for my Jetbrains subscription.

But with Jetbrains products, you pay or the entire software, not just part of it .

Community edition is free, and it’s a sizable chunk of the entire product

Re: SSH Remoting

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Post by Barrin92 »

keyle wrote: post #50
pseudony wrote: post #48

Can someone explain. What is the catch ? Zed is worked on by paid employees. So who is the product, how is the money made and is it open source and if so, how much ? (Vscode has strings attached too) Just interested since building my workflows around a company's products usually ends in tears (figuratively).

You are the product. The editor is free afaik, and is very good. It has a plugin system and many languages have been added. It's really, really close to be my replacement to intelliJ. Sadly many bugs are stopping that for now. They'll charge for integrations later, collaboration etc. I'm not sure exactly where the money is going to come from but I value a quality native IDE. I hope they don't stuff crap down our mout…

>It's really, really close to be my replacement to intelliJ

Isn't Zed just a text editor? The last time I checked it out it didn't have any debugging features which doesn't really make it a replacement for an IntelliJ IDE.

Re: SSH Remoting

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Post by globular-toast »

teddyh wrote: post #68

I can find no mention of Emacs (or Tramp) in any of the documentation or a sampling of blog posts. It’s as if the authors don’t even know it exists. This is concerning. (As is their apparent 100% all-in on the AI hype train.)

Yep. Emacs had this 25 years ago. I find editing over SSH a last resort, though, as it introduces a lot of undesirable latency.

Re: SSH Remoting

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Post by kunley »

zazaulola wrote: post #71
timeon wrote: post #15

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Memory footprint, startup times, overall responsiveness. At the end of the day VSCode is still Electron app.

VSCode does not necessarily require Electron. Unlike Zed, VSCode can actually run on a server, and Google Chrome can be used as a client. You can even take advantage of all VSCode features and plugins using Google Chrome Mobile.

Main and often repeated argument against Electron is that it has a browser embedded inside, and that's why it's so bloated, slow and taking up so much memory.

Yet you give counterexample of using... a browser as a client/frontend to vscode. Well it doesn't remove the exact main problem with Electron, does it?

Re: SSH Remoting

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Post by Dinux »

I cant wait to switch to something like Zed. VS Code can take up half of my memory and keeps crashing after updates. How much language support is there for Go?
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