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Re: SSH Remoting

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Post by krelian »

pseudony wrote: post #48

Can someone explain. What is the catch ? Zed is worked on by paid employees. So who is the product, how is the money made and is it open source and if so, how much ? (Vscode has strings attached too) Just interested since building my workflows around a company's products usually ends in tears (figuratively).

This is answered in their FAQ: https://zed.dev/faq :

We envision Zed as a free-to-use editor, supplemented by subscription-based, optional network features, such as:

       Channels and calls
       Chat
       Channel notes
We plan to offer our collaboration features to open source teams, free of charge.

Re: SSH Remoting

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Post by greener_grass »

I wonder if image based screen sharing (e.g. Google Meet) is the "worse is better" here?

Zed collaboration sounds great, but what about all of the other apps I use?

Image based sharing supports everything (poorly) automatically.

Re: SSH Remoting

#63

Post by jebarker »

Protostome wrote: post #36

with a little bit of work, vi/emacs works great as an IDE for most setups... The learning curve is steep but once you get the gist, you never go back to those bloated IDEs. (Disclaimer: I haven't tried zed, but have been working throughout my career with Eclipse, Visual C/C++/Basic (!), Atom)

Unless you need a graphical debugger, then vi/vim/nvim/emacs all start to get creaky. That single requirement keeps me on vscode. I'd love a terminal based alternative.

Re: SSH Remoting

#64

Post by IshKebab »

krelian wrote: post #61
pseudony wrote: post #48

Can someone explain. What is the catch ? Zed is worked on by paid employees. So who is the product, how is the money made and is it open source and if so, how much ? (Vscode has strings attached too) Just interested since building my workflows around a company's products usually ends in tears (figuratively).

This is answered in their FAQ: https://zed.dev/faq : We envision Zed as a free-to-use editor, supplemented by subscription-based, optional network features, such as: Channels and calls Chat Channel notes We plan to offer our collaboration features to open source teams, free of charge.

This seems pretty optimistic to me. I can't imagine any company I've worked for paying for those things. Especially because they're only going to be useful if everyone uses Zed which is unlikely.

Re: SSH Remoting

#65

Post by BossingAround »

jebarker wrote: post #60
BossingAround wrote: post #56

Personally, I need support for remote debuggers, e.g. debugpy on Python. Would this feature help me debug code that's already running on a remote server and I just need to connect to it?

I really wish there was a good alternative to vscode for remote debugpy

Same. I don't like VSCode, but debugpy is, for me, a killer feature for which I'd pay if I had to.

Re: SSH Remoting

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Post by Aaron2222 »

shark1 wrote: post #43
unsnap_biceps wrote: post #31

Just a FYI, this feature will install a binary on the remote host and run it. > Your local machine will attempt to connect to the remote server using the ssh binary on your path. Assuming the connection is successful, Zed will download the server on the remote host and start it. https://zed.dev/docs/remote-development

Intellij IDEA does that too, and the installer is a very big file. I suspect an entire headless IDE is installed in the remote host.

That's how most of these remoting features work, by running the IDE backend on the remote host.

I'm not sure if IntelliJ IDEA has an equivalent, but CLion has an option to just do the build and run/debug on the remote host without running the whole IDE on it.

Re: SSH Remoting

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Post by gregoryl »

TylerE wrote: post #53
keyle wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are the product. The editor is free afaik, and is very good. It has a plugin system and many languages have been added. It's really, really close to be my replacement to intelliJ. Sadly many bugs are stopping that for now. They'll charge for integrations later, collaboration etc. I'm not sure exactly where the money is going to come from but I value a quality native IDE. I hope they don't stuff crap down our mout…

I’ll have to give it a look. I’m an increasingly disenchanted IntelliJ customer also.

I assume they did the same as with Rider, and made the UI objectively worse, rather than solve a million other things that actually need improvement (performance!)?

Re: SSH Remoting

#68

Post by teddyh »

I can find no mention of Emacs (or Tramp) in any of the documentation or a sampling of blog posts. It’s as if the authors don’t even know it exists. This is concerning.

(As is their apparent 100% all-in on the AI hype train.)

Re: SSH Remoting

#69

Post by legobeet »

zifpanachr23 wrote: post #47

I'd really like a good remote editing solution that is genuinely portable. I don't think there's anything technical stopping that from happening (and I've tried some half baked solutions along those lines before). For a variety of reasons relating to my line of work, this or vscode's solution are no gos since they require you to install a server on the remote, and that server is interpreted or compiled in a language…

I'm going the container route. To get the full seamlessness you're alluding to (easily switch between multiple parallel environments; easy migrations) still requires some additional features but perhaps you can find some inspiration.

https://github.com/legobeat/l7-devenv

E.g.

https://github.com/legobeat/l7-devenv/pull/144

https://github.com/legobeat/l7-devenv/pull/153

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