EU parliament member hit by Israeli Candiru spyware • Hacker News Board

Re: EU parliament member hit by Israeli Candiru spyware

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Post by Ozzie_osman » Thu, Jul 25, 2024, 10:03 AM UTC

whearyou wrote: post #53

Ozzie_osman wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This piece might be relevant: https://www.leefang.com/p/inside-the-pro-israel-information

It’s a minor effort compared to the hundreds of millions Iran, China, and Russia have spent for a decade on influence operations. Those get little air time in hard progressive or far right spaces since these anti liberal influence operations mostly promote hard progressive and far right perspectives.

Whatever Iran, China, and Russia have done is also a minor effort compared to the billions spent by the US on influence operations.

Re: EU parliament member hit by Israeli Candiru spyware

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Post by passwordoops » Thu, Jul 25, 2024, 10:05 AM UTC

spurgu wrote: post #69

Brechreiz wrote: post #59

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Or what? Your comment was truncated for me.

...or it's non-software-engineers writing those pro-government comments. (just the logical conclusion of the statement, intentionally made blank)

Why couldn't the software engineers change? The geopolitical scene is much different today, and it's easy to see threats coming from your opposite pole

Re: EU parliament member hit by Israeli Candiru spyware

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jul 25, 2024, 10:11 AM UTC

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #71

dudeinjapan wrote: post #41

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I never made that connection. The Palantiri in LOTR were neither inherently good nor evil, they were "seeing stones" with both communication and remote-viewing capabilities, equivalent to a what an iPhone, CCTV cam, or spy satellite can do today. It's an appropriate and cool name for a company whose whole mission is "intelligence gathering". (Yes, it is true that Sauron corrupted Saruman while communicating to him vi…

> The Palantiri in LOTR were neither inherently good nor evil, they were "seeing stones" with both communication and remote-viewing capabilities, equivalent to a what an iPhone, CCTV cam, or spy satellite can do today. Within the context of LOTR's narrative, they were tools that were corrupted by evil and employed to unambiguously evil ends. A weapon such as a warhammer is also just a tool, and Morgoth had his hammer…

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Re: EU parliament member hit by Israeli Candiru spyware

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Post by vermilingua » Thu, Jul 25, 2024, 10:11 AM UTC

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #71

dudeinjapan wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never made that connection. The Palantiri in LOTR were neither inherently good nor evil, they were "seeing stones" with both communication and remote-viewing capabilities, equivalent to a what an iPhone, CCTV cam, or spy satellite can do today. It's an appropriate and cool name for a company whose whole mission is "intelligence gathering". (Yes, it is true that Sauron corrupted Saruman while communicating to him vi…

> The Palantiri in LOTR were neither inherently good nor evil, they were "seeing stones" with both communication and remote-viewing capabilities, equivalent to a what an iPhone, CCTV cam, or spy satellite can do today. Within the context of LOTR's narrative, they were tools that were corrupted by evil and employed to unambiguously evil ends. A weapon such as a warhammer is also just a tool, and Morgoth had his hammer…

To be fair, the landmark use of the Palantiri in LoTR is when Aragorn uses the stone to bait Sauron into confrontation; an action which ultimately won the war for the good guys.

Re: EU parliament member hit by Israeli Candiru spyware

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jul 25, 2024, 10:14 AM UTC

Brechreiz wrote: post #62

whearyou wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a minor effort compared to the hundreds of millions Iran, China, and Russia have spent for a decade on influence operations. Those get little air time in hard progressive or far right spaces since these anti liberal influence operations mostly promote hard progressive and far right perspectives.

anti liberal influence operations do not promote hard progressive perspectives.

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Re: EU parliament member hit by Israeli Candiru spyware

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jul 25, 2024, 10:18 AM UTC

OhioMan2943 wrote: post #13

I notice issues relating to these groups (israeli cyber groups) are very quick to be denied or delegitimised on HN

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Re: EU parliament member hit by Israeli Candiru spyware

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Post by ADeerAppeared » Thu, Jul 25, 2024, 10:19 AM UTC

snird wrote: post #51

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It is Israel's problem either way.

Either Israel is involved themselves, which is quite plausible given their history of this shit.

Or Israel is not involved, and they massively fucked up by letting their malware be used against their supposed allies.

In both cases, we are left with the question: Why are we letting this country develop malware with our approval and funding?

Re: EU parliament member hit by Israeli Candiru spyware

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Post by lost_womble » Thu, Jul 25, 2024, 10:20 AM UTC

anal_reactor wrote: post #44

anigbrowl wrote: post #18

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Juvenile humor is rarely correlated with mature ethical development.

Our corporate processes have established that using "Fish That Swims Up Your Penis" as the name of the product might contribute to 1% sales decrease. Having in mind our focus on maximizing the profit by appealing to widest audience possible, this is the core reason why we're strongly against the chosen name. Instead, we suggest conducting market research which will determine the optiminal naming scheme for our produc…

Thanks, anal_reactor, very cool.

Re: EU parliament member hit by Israeli Candiru spyware

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Post by meowface » Thu, Jul 25, 2024, 10:20 AM UTC

Ozzie_osman wrote: post #81

whearyou wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a minor effort compared to the hundreds of millions Iran, China, and Russia have spent for a decade on influence operations. Those get little air time in hard progressive or far right spaces since these anti liberal influence operations mostly promote hard progressive and far right perspectives.

Whatever Iran, China, and Russia have done is also a minor effort compared to the billions spent by the US on influence operations.

Doubtful.

Re: EU parliament member hit by Israeli Candiru spyware

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Post by ADeerAppeared » Thu, Jul 25, 2024, 10:29 AM UTC

ekkodur wrote: post #46

OhioMan2943 wrote: post #13

I notice issues relating to these groups (israeli cyber groups) are very quick to be denied or delegitimised on HN

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A piece of advice: Avoid using general and indirect terms like "Them" when referring to the state of Israel and/or it's government.

Antisemites deliberately use such language to conflate the Israeli government with the global Jewish population, in order to blame & slander the latter for the actions of the former.

If you use similar language, you'll sound like an antisemite.