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random anecdote. in my college days, there was a woman who was doing a second run at undergrad, after having a phd in marketing, and she was pretty much the know it all jerk.
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> Do you feel you're worth less if you're perceived to be less manly? No, I simply dislike it when other people tell me how I'm supposed to act based on their proprietary rules. I don't give a shit about my masculinity per se, but I do not like to be mashed in by association with stereotypes that feel alien and artificial to me.
I'm sad that you feel that the post was dictating behavior based on gender. I'm surprised and frustrated at how many people are reading things in the article that I never wrote, and never implied- like the sentiment you expressed, or the idea that I'm somehow an advocate for single sex education, or (as one poster on another forum put it, I come off like a "feminist bitch".
That's not a call for single-sex education. That's a call for good teachers who are willing to crack down on the class clown. There's always a class clown, and he always needs to be cracked down upon for the good of the class. This is teaching 101. Sorry you didn't have a good teacher. >Dave was really excited by the class, and, like me and the other volunteers, had a lot of experience with Python. Sounds like Dave w…
The author was not calling for single-sex education, he was calling for us to find & support ways of giving new people "a more comfortable entrance into our general community".
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Yeah! Those sneaky women! All of em will con you and all us men into helping them. Sneaky deceitful women. And people wonder why women don't like male dominated tech events
The dynamic is an important consideration, like it or not. Do you think a woman would play dumb, bat her eyelashes and flip her hair (embellishing) while asking for help if her instructor was a woman?
The fact that you frame it in such a stereotypical way speaks volumes about the attitudes at work here.
That's why we do not see more women involved with software, and I am not talking about Dave. I am talking about both, the writer and Dave. Why do you think most women stick to managing projects instead of being involved in Free Software? Too much drama. Too much shit to cope with, that involves dicks and egos. In the article we assume that Dave was a jerk (and it probably was). But, see, the author was in a comfortab…
Wasn't the term "computer" at one time used to describe usually female mathematicians who worked in all female groups at DoD? Perhaps the problem isn't women, and it isn't men, but instead the urge to force them together and then demand they suppress their natural gender differences? Based on experience I would guess having gender segregated groups of technical workers could be quite productive. But anyone trying wou…
People often forget that some gender differences are what make each gender powerful.
Gender equality should not be about expecting the same features in both genders, but about having the same rights.
these questions seemed designed to show off his own knowledge, or to challenge the instructor. Yes, Dave was showing off to an audience of women. she asked me a question she giggled and told me she had no idea what the project was about, or what to do. Yes, the woman was acting like a bimbo to elicit male help. Congrats, you now have the grasp of female/male dynamics usually figured out by middle school. I’d never re…
Classy.
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> Do you feel you're worth less if you're perceived to be less manly? No, I simply dislike it when other people tell me how I'm supposed to act based on their proprietary rules. I don't give a shit about my masculinity per se, but I do not like to be mashed in by association with stereotypes that feel alien and artificial to me.
I'm sad that you feel that the post was dictating behavior based on gender. I'm surprised and frustrated at how many people are reading things in the article that I never wrote, and never implied- like the sentiment you expressed, or the idea that I'm somehow an advocate for single sex education, or (as one poster on another forum put it, I come off like a "feminist bitch".
Hmm, that was the message I read. From the conclusions section, "Lessons Learned: I’d never really believed in single sex education... but my experience last weekend changed my view."
Perhaps it isn't clear which of your views have changed, if different people are associating that last part of the quote with different parts of the article.
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The dynamic is an important consideration, like it or not. Do you think a woman would play dumb, bat her eyelashes and flip her hair (embellishing) while asking for help if her instructor was a woman?
> [...] play dumb, bat her eyelashes and flip her hair [...] The fact that you frame it in such a stereotypical way speaks volumes about the attitudes at work here.
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>Oh, for fuck's sake, how is some Dave being jerk is making gender difference apparent? >The guy was at the wrong place, and was being a show-off. >But no, you must attribute it to his gender. If you read the article again, you may find that the gender difference which became apparent to the author has to do with the /response/ to Dave's behaviour, and not with his behaviour /per se/. Also, here is a (perhaps interes…
Yes, it has to do with the response, but I can't agree with the main point of it which is due to selection bias I think (not gender differences): To me, and I suspect most men, we’d see Dave’s behavior as a call to arms. Dave was raising the stakes and even though his behavior was clearly rude, it also demonstrated that he had a mastery over the material. If this is the core of the article's point, I don't agree with…
In college and grad school I was usually the guy asking advanced questions, not because I was trying to show off or be a jerk, but because I was trying to gain a particular level of mastery of the material, and the way I gain that mastery is to ask questions during the process of absorbing the material. I gain understanding of, say, a particular algorithm by asking if a particular extension of that algorithm is appropriate.
This makes me wonder if others mistakenly viewed me as a troll, or felt like I was dragging the classroom down, due to my learning style being something of an outlier. (Being on the autism spectrum, if anyone tried to signal me about this without being explicit, I would have missed it.)
At the risk of sounding petty let me say that, I am male and I can only speak about my part of the problem. 1. Do I feel bad about women achieving stuff in life ? Yes. 2. Am I ashamed of the above fact? Yes. Lets face it, from what I have been able to figure out, this is the case with a lot of men in this world. Question we must be asking is : how do we go about solving this problem? This is not as simple as just dev…
Nobody believes this! There's no conspiracy at work. But there is is a long history of gender-based discrimination, and cultural practices that still reinforce suffocating gender roles today.
The ideas you complain about - "men are expected to be taking care of women, women should be trading up etc." - are part of that.