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Elixir 1.17 released: set-theoretic types in patterns, durations, OTP 27

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Re: Elixir 1.17 released: set-theoretic types in patterns, durations, OTP 27

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Post by epiccoleman »

GiorgioG wrote: post #4

Super-excited for this release. I wish someone would put some resources into the Elixir IntelliJ plugin. I've tried, but I just can't enjoy using VSCode (vs IntelliJ based IDEs, Visual Studio, etc.)

Absolutely agree. I love Elixir but the editor integration has always been unfortunately second-class. The happy paths in VSCode work well enough with the ElixirLS, but there are a few flaws that are a quite a bummer. One major one is no rename / refactor functionality (seriously?!) and a more Phoenix-specific issue is trying to contend with auto-complete in templates, which is no fun.

I like VSCode fine, but I'd definitely be interested in a Jetbrains level IDE for Elixir stuff.

Re: Elixir 1.17 released: set-theoretic types in patterns, durations, OTP 27

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Post by theflyinghorse »

Tao3300 wrote: post #74
pawelduda wrote: post #10

This is it, the final piece I wanted. Looking forward to the further stages. Apart from that, the language is 100% feature-complete as far as I am concerned.

Last time I looked at Elixir, it seemed like the consensus was "you're going to need to do Erlang too". Is that still the case, or is dipping down into Erlang no longer required?

As elixir noob I find I reach into erlang often, mostly for things like sets, queues. Do people often end up writing erlang alongside elixir code in the same project?

Re: Elixir 1.17 released: set-theoretic types in patterns, durations, OTP 27

#83

Post by theonething »

julienmarie wrote: post #75

The last few years the Elixir ecosystem has started to become the simplest solution to so many use cases: - Web development with Phoenix and Liveview is immensely enjoyable and fast - AI with NX, Axon, Bumblebee - Audio and Video streaming and manipulation with Membrane - CQRS and Event Sourcing with Commanded - Embedded with Nerves to make your own devices - Mobile apps with Liveview Native ( in development ) - Queu…

> killer feature is IEX, Elixir's REPL

Don't many other languages have this? Ruby has IRB for example. Is there anything IEX does that IRB doesn't?

Re: Elixir 1.17 released: set-theoretic types in patterns, durations, OTP 27

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Post by Thaxll »

dankai wrote: post #65
davidw wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I may ask, what are you working on where Elixir hits the sweet spot compared to other technologies?

A news aggregator (and premium news chatbot) that indexes and analyses around ~150.000 new articles a day ( http://im.fo ) I'm absolutely certain the real time processing would be unfeasible in any other technology in terms of complexity and the minimal compute resources it's running on. Modules like broadway, ash, oban, phoenix liveview ... make it not just a pleasure to work with but insanely performant. With over…

You know that Elixir is on the low end of performance right, so you take Go/Java/C# that are close to 10x faster.

Re: Elixir 1.17 released: set-theoretic types in patterns, durations, OTP 27

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Post by skndr »

theonething wrote: post #83
julienmarie wrote: post #75

The last few years the Elixir ecosystem has started to become the simplest solution to so many use cases: - Web development with Phoenix and Liveview is immensely enjoyable and fast - AI with NX, Axon, Bumblebee - Audio and Video streaming and manipulation with Membrane - CQRS and Event Sourcing with Commanded - Embedded with Nerves to make your own devices - Mobile apps with Liveview Native ( in development ) - Queu…

> killer feature is IEX, Elixir's REPL Don't many other languages have this? Ruby has IRB for example. Is there anything IEX does that IRB doesn't?

The cool thing is that you can, with the BEAM, connect your shell[0] to a running server and use something like recon_trace[1] to watch functions as they’re getting called. The same principle is used for libraries like this distributed profiler so you can watch the aggregate performance of your application[2].

[0] https://hexdocs.pm/iex/1.12/IEx.html#module-remote-shells (the remsh flag)

[1] https://ferd.github.io/recon/recon_trace.html

[2] https://hexdocs.pm/orion/Orion.html

Re: Elixir 1.17 released: set-theoretic types in patterns, durations, OTP 27

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Post by svnt »

Thaxll wrote: post #84
dankai wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A news aggregator (and premium news chatbot) that indexes and analyses around ~150.000 new articles a day ( http://im.fo ) I'm absolutely certain the real time processing would be unfeasible in any other technology in terms of complexity and the minimal compute resources it's running on. Modules like broadway, ash, oban, phoenix liveview ... make it not just a pleasure to work with but insanely performant. With over…

You know that Elixir is on the low end of performance right, so you take Go/Java/C# that are close to 10x faster.

I don’t know enough about news aggregators to evaluate the claim, but presumably that is why parent mentioned both complexity and compute, not just performance.

Re: Elixir 1.17 released: set-theoretic types in patterns, durations, OTP 27

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Post by auraham »

bcardarella wrote: post #79
julienmarie wrote: post #75

The last few years the Elixir ecosystem has started to become the simplest solution to so many use cases: - Web development with Phoenix and Liveview is immensely enjoyable and fast - AI with NX, Axon, Bumblebee - Audio and Video streaming and manipulation with Membrane - CQRS and Event Sourcing with Commanded - Embedded with Nerves to make your own devices - Mobile apps with Liveview Native ( in development ) - Queu…

I'll take the opportunity for a shameless plug on LiveView Native. In addition to mobile apps we can also build for desktop, watch, TV, and even Apple Vision Pro. All using LiveView concepts, performance, and ease of development.

Hi Brian, thanks for all effort put into LiveView Native.

Quick suggestion, it would be nice if the landing page [1] has more information or links to actual examples of how to use LiveView Native. That page has not been updated in a long time and give the (misleading) impression that the project is on hold.

[1] https://native.live/

Re: Elixir 1.17 released: set-theoretic types in patterns, durations, OTP 27

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Post by auraham »

theonething wrote: post #83
julienmarie wrote: post #75

The last few years the Elixir ecosystem has started to become the simplest solution to so many use cases: - Web development with Phoenix and Liveview is immensely enjoyable and fast - AI with NX, Axon, Bumblebee - Audio and Video streaming and manipulation with Membrane - CQRS and Event Sourcing with Commanded - Embedded with Nerves to make your own devices - Mobile apps with Liveview Native ( in development ) - Queu…

> killer feature is IEX, Elixir's REPL Don't many other languages have this? Ruby has IRB for example. Is there anything IEX does that IRB doesn't?

Personally, I prefer iex over irb, iex feels more intuitive. Recently, some improvements were made into iex, the most relevant to me is the ability to use Ctrl+l to clean the output. Now, iex is getting closer to ipython.

Re: Elixir 1.17 released: set-theoretic types in patterns, durations, OTP 27

#89

Post by auraham »

Aside note: Have any of you used elixir-desktop [1]? It is a wxWidgets + LiveView bundle, pretty much like a Electron app.

In [2], Wojtek Mach explains how the team behind Elixir build Livebook Desktop. He explains how the project started, some subtle bugs found when building the app for MacOS, some limitations of wxWidgets in Windows, and many other implementation details.

It would be awesome if the Elixir team releases something like elixir-desktop based on Livebook. That is, forking the Livebook repo and release an official template project for generating desktop applications based on LiveView. Right now, Livebook is distributed as an executable for Windows and Mac. Why not follow the same approach to allow developers to publish self-contained executables pretty much like Electron?

I am aware of LiveView Native [3] but I think they follow a different direction.

[1] https://github.com/elixir-desktop/desktop-example-app

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kiw6eWKcQbg

[3] https://native.live/

Re: Elixir 1.17 released: set-theoretic types in patterns, durations, OTP 27

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Post by arrowsmith »

bnchrch wrote: post #47
manchmalscott wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can use Phoenix without LiveView by running mix phx.new with the —no-live flag (or manually pull it out of an existing project).

But too the OPs point. This is not a technology that should be included by default. No matter how cool. Saying this as a die hard Elixir fan who's been using it since 2015.

Why not? If you don't like it just build the app without LiveView. Having `phoenix_liveview` as a dependency in mix.exs doesn't do any harm if you're not using it.
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