It's crazy to see people denying that (meat) factory farming is a problem. You'd expect most of the public of this website to be rationalists in one way or another. Of course factory farming is an aggravating factor for the spread of diseases. Of course we can thrive with less meat consumption or none. How is that even a question?
H5N1 prevalence in milk suggest US bird flu outbreak in cows is widespread
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Which of those alt milks are produced using biodiversity supporting practices? Oat? Soy? Almond?
You mean juice, right? As far as I know Oat, Soy and Almond contain no milk.
God I hate people using this gotcha... we all know what they mean by alternative milks.
Do you also complain about peanut butter ? There is no butter in peanuts
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That's the secret, you don't have to replace it. It doesn't produce food, it takes in food and turns it into less but different food. So yeah, plants. It's painful, but we've gone beyond what we can do on this planet.
We’re not even close.
45% of habitable land on our planet is used for agriculture. 80% of that is used for livestock. [1]
Any increase in size is coming from deforestation, which is devastating to our planet. [2]
[1] https://ourworldindata.org/land-use
[2] https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/deforestat...
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's the secret, you don't have to replace it. It doesn't produce food, it takes in food and turns it into less but different food. So yeah, plants. It's painful, but we've gone beyond what we can do on this planet.
We’re not even close.
Do you believe all 8 billion people could live like Americans in a sustainable way? Do you believe we could produce enough meat and animal derived products in a morally sustainable way? Looking at film of the conditions of the animals in factory farms it’s clear the meat portion of our food supply is grossly immoral.
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#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're going to have to provide some sources if you'll be making such bold claims ...
I'll bite. I'm currently carrying a bottle of whole milk home from the shop to have a glass. It has 15g of protein per 500ml, a ton of calcium and 350ish calories. Super nutritious.
500ml of soy milk has almost twice as many protein and tons of nutrients too. It requires like 5% as much water to produce, 0 antibiotic, and no animals
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Well that make poor folks harder to fulfill nutrition requirements. Especially for kids that'd be devastating.
When my mom was growing up she had organ meats pretty regularly, as it was cheaper and they didn’t have a lot of money. Over in Scotland their national dish is haggis, which is a bunch of organ meats minced up, and then they add in some oats to bulk it up and make it go further. There are solutions to use more of the animal and stretch it. I almost never hear about people eating organ meats in the US anymore. People…
FWIW, I was told that those parts are not wasted, but instead used for animal (e.g. for dogs, cats) food instead.
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I’ve seen videos about lab grown meat being in development. Is it actually available and available at scale? I haven’t looked to see if studies have been done to look at the nutritional profile of lab grown vs normal meat. I’d be curious about that as well before I tried it.
I find the idea of lab grown meat almost comical… So we have these animals, which eat plants and generate fuel (poop) & food (meat). Our bodies are adapted to eating them, our bodies need the same nutrients, and we’re programmed to enjoy the food. The input to this process is mostly grass and grain, both generated via solar power. Now instead… we take grain, highly process it and make someone few people enjoy, with l…
Lab-grown meat is meat, not grain. It's produced in bioreactors and the like. It doesn't really exist in any meaningful sense yet, though.
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's the secret, you don't have to replace it. It doesn't produce food, it takes in food and turns it into less but different food. So yeah, plants. It's painful, but we've gone beyond what we can do on this planet.
We’re not even close.
it kind of depends?
For every rich and wasteful person in the world there is a poor person that lives in scarcity and „offsets“ the wasteful lifestyle. So we’re kind of at a limit when you want to make a genuine effort to continue fighting poverty.
Re: H5N1 prevalence in milk suggest US bird flu outbreak in cows is widespread
#90It's crazy to see people denying that (meat) factory farming is a problem. You'd expect most of the public of this website to be rationalists in one way or another. Of course factory farming is an aggravating factor for the spread of diseases. Of course we can thrive with less meat consumption or none. How is that even a question?
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