EU aims to shift European arms industry to 'war economy mode'

Post by type0 » Wed, Mar 06, 2024, 2:34 AM UTC

hackandthink wrote: post #13

The_Colonel wrote: post #9

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Being "defence friendly" means also cultivating the mentality that lying in the trenches for your country/culture/values might be necessary. Forget arms industry or military budget as a percent of GDP. The main problem is that Europe lacks the fighting spirit (with some exceptions like Poland). Countries like Germany will fold / capitulate to any demands if they suffer thousands of casualties.

I lack fighting spirit, don't want to spend money for weapons and I'm not afraid of Russia (live in Germany). There is a lot of fear mongering. Ukraine should make a deal instead of sacrificing people without limits. So many people died, for loosing later. If they wait too long there won't be any deal.

Post by seydor » Wed, Mar 06, 2024, 5:51 AM UTC

Staple_Diet wrote: post #74

seydor wrote: post #20

Sure, we will hire a few thousand contractors to form a network of committees and prepare multiple sustainability plans and guidelines for the next seven years. We will also declare war illegal and fine violators with 70% of their gdp. Whoever dares to challenge european sovereignty will be met with the collective wrath of our cookie prompts The EU is not only materially incapable of war mode (too many second rate ca…

>One of its members is occupied by a nato country, and hasn't been supported when threatened. Can you explain?

Post by mopsi » Wed, Mar 06, 2024, 8:01 AM UTC

hackandthink wrote: post #13

The_Colonel wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being "defence friendly" means also cultivating the mentality that lying in the trenches for your country/culture/values might be necessary. Forget arms industry or military budget as a percent of GDP. The main problem is that Europe lacks the fighting spirit (with some exceptions like Poland). Countries like Germany will fold / capitulate to any demands if they suffer thousands of casualties.

I lack fighting spirit, don't want to spend money for weapons and I'm not afraid of Russia (live in Germany). There is a lot of fear mongering. Ukraine should make a deal instead of sacrificing people without limits. So many people died, for loosing later. If they wait too long there won't be any deal.

Post by kuratkull » Wed, Mar 06, 2024, 8:16 AM UTC

greg_V wrote: post #32

TillE wrote: post #4

There was an incredibly stubborn post-Cold War "end of history" complacency in Europe that really should have ended after the annexation of Crimea in 2014. Instead it lasted until the full invasion in 2022. What's been starkly revealed since is that Europe is woefully unprepared to respond to any kind of aggression, and aside from France's nuclear weapons, wholly reliant on America. At some point you have to get seri…

That's not complacency, that's a feature. The key to peace in Europe is the unified free trade zone on one hand, but on the other it's also disarmament while relying on NATO. Besides putting territorial questions aside, one of the main requirements of joining NATO was to discontinue the draft! The entire security failure is by design, one that has been made a long time ago when the US force was way more capable and t…

Post by kuratkull » Wed, Mar 06, 2024, 8:22 AM UTC

argentier wrote: post #53

peutetre wrote: post #41

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And after you give up on Ukraine what's next? Georgia? Moldova? Estonia? Poland? Lithuania? More? They're all fair game for Russia are they? Russia will find your submissiveness very helpful.

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