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Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by LudwigNagasena »

mrkeen wrote: post #4

The title is all this site is willing to divulge to me. I just took the train into the city, had a burger & beer, and soon I'll train back home. I have zero worries about my safety. Anyway, the Right party pulled the balance of power from the Left and formed a centre/right coalition more than a year ago, because of all the bad people coming here and doing bad things. Weren't they going to fix this?

> I just took the train into the city, had a burger & beer, and soon I'll train back home. I have zero worries about my safety.

My grandma smoked since she was a teenager and she is still alive and has no cancer. I guess all tobacco research is just fear-mongering.

> Weren't they going to fix this?

Were they? I’ve read a summary of the Moderate Party manifesto (https://archive.is/v6IYb) and, well, it looked pretty moderate. It looks like those measures will simply prevent exacerbation of the problems rather than solve them in under a year. It’s not like they did something similar to the Salvadoran gang crackdown.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by bilbo0s »

carlosjobim wrote: post #57
romafirst3 wrote: post #10

While this does indeed sound like a problem for Sweden and something they will have to fix, it's worth pointing out that by my calculation the US fatal assault by fire arm rate is 12X the rate that is causing a crisis in Sweden.

What does the US have to do with the article? Why is it a relevant country for comparison?

Maybe HN User romafirst believes the US is the relevant nation in any discussion on any subject?

Some people are just US-centric. They believe everything should be looked at through the lens of how it affects the US. It's just how they are.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by toomuchtodo »

raphman wrote: post #61
toomuchtodo wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s unfortunate if an immigrant won’t assimilate responsibly into their host country and causes continuing harm through this policy. You’re just importing future prisoners and criminals. Refugees/immigrants/etc should be welcomed (I have sponsored refugees in the US), but violent crime must be prevented if someone runs out of chances. You need some recourse when you run out of options and people who have immigrate…

I assume you meant integrate instead of assimilate ? I definitely want immigrants to integrate in our society (and am prepared to do this when I travel into another country). But I would not expect anyone to assimilate - which to my understanding means giving up their previous culture and take on the culture of the host country.

Yes, I used the word interchangeably, but I could see how assimilate could be construed in the fashion you mentioned.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by patall »

whearyou wrote: post #27

I suspect anyone who wants to address the elephant in the room here will have to choose between accepting support from semi-fascist types or getting cancelled

I suspect that many people still havn't realized that the elephant in the room is not solved by stricter laws. Because those are in place everywhere. The elephant is what is supposed to happen to those people. Because nobody wants them. And when you cannot deport, what are you going to do?

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by HHC-Hunter »

fintechie wrote: post #77

Hungary and Slovakia, the only European countries that haven't allowed illegal immigration in, are at the bottom of that chart, while Sweden is getting rekt... Legal immigration is of course fine and necessary, as long as the state and socials systems can assimilate it... (Japan is a good example). But articles like this show concerning data points in western countries with uncontrolled migratory policies.

Anyone who thinks reckless immigration policies don't lead to crime may as well stick their head in sand.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by rlt »

patall wrote: post #58
toomuchtodo wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are they deporting immigrants (regardless of country of origin) involved in violent crimes? Genuine question. I know rehabilitation is different in Europe than the US, but there are likely resource constraints for attempting to do so at scale looking at trailing immigration volume.

They very often are not able to deport. Because no country takes those people in. The laws are in place but there are few ethical options. Same story for the border closing in Finland by the way. You are dealing with a deeply unethical state, so when you don't let them in, these people will have to die. Because the other side knows that you are more likely to give in out of ethical principle.

Why can’t they be deported to the country the came from?

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by tom_ »

fintechie wrote: post #77

Hungary and Slovakia, the only European countries that haven't allowed illegal immigration in, are at the bottom of that chart, while Sweden is getting rekt... Legal immigration is of course fine and necessary, as long as the state and socials systems can assimilate it... (Japan is a good example). But articles like this show concerning data points in western countries with uncontrolled migratory policies.

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Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by brazzy »

ecmascript wrote: post #72
woodruffw wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what, exactly, is the "elephant in the room"? If this is meant to be a dogwhistle about immigration, it seems appropriate to observe that many of the countries TFA compares Sweden to (Greece, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands) have similar immigration patterns without the same violent crime rates.

There is no country that compares to sweden if you compare the numbers by capita.

Absolutely wrong: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_d...

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by mongol »

tremon wrote: post #21
Throwfi44 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try to stay there for a month, in shady part of town! Current goverment is at least trying to police those places!

Can you provide a list of which parts of which towns are shady, so I can avoid them?

There are no safe parts. The gangs have blown up explosives all over. This is about 1 km from where I grew up:

https://images.aftonbladet-cdn.se/v2/images/7804ea1d-2a5b-4b...

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by woodruffw »

ecmascript wrote: post #72
woodruffw wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what, exactly, is the "elephant in the room"? If this is meant to be a dogwhistle about immigration, it seems appropriate to observe that many of the countries TFA compares Sweden to (Greece, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands) have similar immigration patterns without the same violent crime rates.

There is no country that compares to sweden if you compare the numbers by capita.

Again: which numbers? Don't dogwhistle, spit it out.

If you mean immigration: roughly 1 in 4 Swedish residents are either first- or second-generation immigrants[1]. This is directly comparable to Belgium[2].

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden#Demographics

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgium#Demographics

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