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Fairphone 4 with /e/OS by Murena now available at fairphone.com

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Re: Fairphone 4 with /e/OS by Murena now available at fairphone.com

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Post by colordrops »

scns wrote: post #54
cooperadymas wrote: post #35

I have been using a Fairphone 4 with /e/OS for awhile now in the US. AMA. The experience has been mostly good, with a few irritating issues. I still consider it good though, because I had a flagship Pixel previously and had my share of irritating issues also. I don't really miss Google at all. * Occasionally the keyboard just disappears. Crashes or something. Killing the AOSP (Android keyboard) service restores it. H…

> Occasionally the keyboard just disappears. Crashes or something. Killing the AOSP (Android keyboard) service restores it. Hopefully this gets fixed. Are you using the stock keyboard? I allways install Simple Keyboard from F-Droid, Zero problems for years.

Just to be clear, Simple Keyboard does not have autocorrect, right? Also, there seems to be two "Simple Keyboard" apps on Fdroid. I installed the one with the most recent update.

Re: Fairphone 4 with /e/OS by Murena now available at fairphone.com

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Post by Fnoord »

WithinReason wrote: post #5
kiba wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you want premium features in a niche phone like the fairphone?

5G and OLED are not premium any more, they are quite basic. e.g. Xiaomi Redmi Note 13 has an OLED screen and supports 5G SA for 140 EUR

Xiaomi is the essence of Chinaware: Xiaomi are hard to open/repair (environmental unfriendly), workers don't get a fair wage, materials are not fairly resourced, it has a locked bootloader, they have their own bloatware (MIUI), probably contain spyware, and likely don't even pay fair taxes.

Also, the successor of Fairphone 4, Fairphone 5, has 5G and OLED.

Re: Fairphone 4 with /e/OS by Murena now available at fairphone.com

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Post by Fnoord »

_chu1 wrote: post #58
monopoliessuck wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you practically except that the pixel 3a has not been getting security updates for over a year. I wouldn't run it with anything personal on it. - https://endoflife.date/pixel

I use a Pixel 5a with GrapheneOS with full storage encryption and even when it stops getting updates no matter the security situation I don't plan on upgrading at all if ever, I already don't want any banking or authentication to rely on a phone so that's not a big issue. Of course I still have machines at home running Windows XP (updated to 2019 albeit) so do not listen to me on security.

Windows XP airgapped should be OK.

Re: Fairphone 4 with /e/OS by Murena now available at fairphone.com

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Post by Fnoord »

jstummbillig wrote: post #26
nanna wrote: post #16

The only problem with my Fairphone 3 being 4 years old and counting, having survived dozens of drops without a scratch and receiving updates to Android 11 is that I have to hold restrain my consumerist desire to buy a newer gen Fairphone with flashier features. But I guess that's the point!

I found that my Fairphone 2, even after I considered it obsolete for my usage, was an easy trade-in at a price point that could only be explained by the person caring about keeping it around for a good while.

Apart from the hardware flaws it is an excellent hand me down, as are all Fairphones. But so are all iPhones. Its just that recent ones are tougher to repair, making them less good of a hand me down.

Re: Fairphone 4 with /e/OS by Murena now available at fairphone.com

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Post by bornfreddy »

rglullis wrote: post #80

The one thing that I don't understand: for a company that claims to be so focused on protecting the environment, why couldn't they take from the frame.work laptop playbook and commit to 1-2 form factors and just work on releasing new modules independently? I have the Fairphone 3 and I know that if I take care of it properly I wouldn't need to upgrade the display, but I would like perhaps a new camera if a module with…

For FP3, this is actually possible:

> The Fairphone 3+ is the upgraded version of the Fairphone 3. It comes with two new camera modules and audio improvements to boost technical performance, enhance the user experience, and improve sustainability. The new camera modules are also sold separately. This way, you can upgrade your Fairphone 3 by replacing the modules.

https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/360047776791...

Re: Fairphone 4 with /e/OS by Murena now available at fairphone.com

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Post by Fnoord »

rglullis wrote: post #80

The one thing that I don't understand: for a company that claims to be so focused on protecting the environment, why couldn't they take from the frame.work laptop playbook and commit to 1-2 form factors and just work on releasing new modules independently? I have the Fairphone 3 and I know that if I take care of it properly I wouldn't need to upgrade the display, but I would like perhaps a new camera if a module with…

Because a smartphone has a different form factor and ecosystem than a laptop. Fairphone existed before Framework did, btw. They were probably inspired by Fairphone.

Re: Fairphone 4 with /e/OS by Murena now available at fairphone.com

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Post by monopoliessuck »

Fnoord wrote: post #71
monopoliessuck wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An always plugged in port risks damage and a damaged USB port makes your phone a brick, not so for an analog port that is inarguably more resilient. Every major vendor's earbuds and most of their headsets aren't battery-replacable. This complexity moves outside the phone and onto the user when all of this was handled reliably by "lesser" hardware of yore. None of this makes Bluetooth headsets an impossibility. SD Car…

> An always plugged in port risks damage and a damaged USB port makes your phone a brick, not so for an analog port that is inarguably more resilient. Doubt it, there is no data to support this with regards to Fairphone 4 and 5. You'd think that if there was a negative data point on that, there'd be tons and tons of CS reports on it. On the contrary; Fairphone 4 has very little CS support requirement and returns. In…

You need the phone upside down in your pocket to plug it in and a new USB headset to boot. The Apple and Samsungs of the world in their ubiquity have changed the ecosystem.

It's not surprising that if you make using my old headset difficult, I and millions of others will move to buying a wireless alternative — they're counting on it. That's what happened and the sales numbers mirror that. People throw away way more audio equipment today than they ever have.

The fact that these Sony earbuds happen to be replaceable is quite a bit different than them being _designed_ as user-replicable. You found a community member that uploaded a video showing you how to do it, now show me the manufacturer's documentation explaining how it's done.

This exists for watches and cameras, but we have been lulled into throwing battery operated things away as a cultural migration pattern and Fairphone is aware and complicit in this indirectly and unnecessarily.

I get it, you either work for or just really dig Fairphone. Glad you found a company you like so much.

Re: Fairphone 4 with /e/OS by Murena now available at fairphone.com

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Post by bornfreddy »

VyseofArcadia wrote: post #40
cooperadymas wrote: post #35

I have been using a Fairphone 4 with /e/OS for awhile now in the US. AMA. The experience has been mostly good, with a few irritating issues. I still consider it good though, because I had a flagship Pixel previously and had my share of irritating issues also. I don't really miss Google at all. * Occasionally the keyboard just disappears. Crashes or something. Killing the AOSP (Android keyboard) service restores it. H…

Interesting. I've been using the Fairphone 4 with /e/OS in the US on Mint for about two months, and I have encountered none of those issues. The issue that's bugged me is occasionally when I'm using Bluetooth audio, the volume "locks". For whatever reason it decides whatever the current volume is, that's the max or min, and I can only adjust in one direction from there.

Yes, that one is weird... Using the device to set volume usually helps get it "unstuck" in my case, but to be honest, I didn't investigate more than that. Annoying, but easily fixable (for me).

Re: Fairphone 4 with /e/OS by Murena now available at fairphone.com

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Post by bornfreddy »

ploum wrote: post #75

I’ve a fairphone 3 which had a faulty bottom-part (the microphone/charging module). After a drop in water, the faulty part was completely broken so I tried to order one from their shop. This part has been "out-of-stock" for more than two years now. I’ve a repairable smartphone that I can’t repair. Meanwhile, the FP4 and the FP5 replaced the FP3. So much for trying to "not consume". I hate Apple but my wife manage to…

Curious, did you try reaching out to them? This goes against everything they stand for, I would expect they would go to great lengths to fix this.

Re: Fairphone 4 with /e/OS by Murena now available at fairphone.com

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Post by tweetle_beetle »

There are various bugbears, like an open issue with the camera only operating at a fraction of its supported resolution - https://gitlab.e.foundation/e/backlog/-/issues/4714

Unfortunately I don't think the team is big enough to support the device specific software at a high level, which is fine for a community project, but less so for a commercial one.

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