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Swedish criminal gangs using fake Spotify streams to launder money

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Re: Swedish criminal gangs using fake Spotify streams to launder money

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I wonder why Sweden is seeing an increase in criminality. Better seal my lips if I want to keep an account on HN. Why I find interesting is how some topics are basically self-censored whilst we like to pretend we’re having a free discussion.

Sorry, but please state a source for that claim.

Now, I'm not much better, but from what I recall crime in general is going down - but there are some notable exceptions (gang crime related specifically).

Re: Swedish criminal gangs using fake Spotify streams to launder money

#82

Seriously? According to the article, their only "proof" is that four criminals said "oh yeah I do this trust me bro". This qualifies as "investigative journalism" today?

>Seriously? According to the article, their only "proof" is that four criminals said "oh yeah I do this trust me bro". Same article mentions further down that the Police have also basically confirmed it is an issue but Spotify aren't acknowledging them.

I couldn't find any official statement from the Swedish police about this case. The "proof" is once again that an "anonymous investigative police officer" said it and they assumed it to be true.

I imagine that there might be some degree of truth to this story, but as it's written right now it's pure clickbait.

Re: Swedish criminal gangs using fake Spotify streams to launder money

#83

I wonder why Sweden is seeing an increase in criminality. Better seal my lips if I want to keep an account on HN. Why I find interesting is how some topics are basically self-censored whilst we like to pretend we’re having a free discussion.

Sorry, but please state a source for that claim. Now, I'm not much better, but from what I recall crime in general is going down - but there are some notable exceptions (gang crime related specifically).

https://www.statista.com/statistics/533790/sweden-rate-of-cr...

Seems like it's flat/down over the last 10 years.

Re: Swedish criminal gangs using fake Spotify streams to launder money

#84
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The term "Swedish" as used in this headline likely implies to many more than just this pedantic and America-centric definition of nationality. It's fair to bring up that point.

Swedish means from Sweden, these gangs are from Sweden, membership is pretty varied, non-native Swedes, native Swedes from different ancestral ethnicity and completely native Swedes with families being European for a long, long time... There's no "fair to bring up that point" here, be a better Christian, not a racist one.

Do you think that's what the vast majority of people assume when reading the headline?

Context is everything here. If a headline said "Trump discovers through DNA test he's 100% Swedish," we wouldn't assume your definition of "Swedish." We'd assume it meant genetics.

And likewise, if a headline said, "If you're Swedish you're no longer allowed to own a hunting rifle," you would know pretty easily that meant a citizen of the modern country called Sweden. Because it's about law and how it applies.

In the case of this headline, it is ambiguous. It's fair to say people might assume ethnicity. It's valid to point out that it might not be the case.

There's more reason to not actively suppress talk about what "Swedish" means here: When there's a negative story, people want answers and solutions. If a headline is ambiguous about something, and clearing the ambiguity could get us closer to finding a cause, you're doing something good for everyone. If the perpetrators of the alleged crime here were your every-day indigenous ethnic Swede, you'd assume different causes and different solutions than if it were one of a new arrival from a different country, culture, and ethnicity. Maybe some solutions would be the same, but maybe (and likely) not!

What purpose is there of putting forth this one definition of "Swedish" in exclusion to the others, in the context of this headline and the commenter's pointing out of something true? It only serves to suppress thought.

Re: Swedish criminal gangs using fake Spotify streams to launder money

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post #39

Given my experience and knowledge of how Spotify deals with much-less nefarious uses of fake streams, I'm very skeptical of these claims. There's a significant (several month) delay between a Spotify stream and the artist getting a payout. (This is probably shorter if you're Taylor Swift, but the artist profiles involved here aren't.) During this time Spotify will indeed do some checks for stream legitimacy. It's not…

The trick here is that they aren’t just driving fake streams. They are burying the fake streams in amongst legit streams.

I’m still a little sceptical of this article’s claims, but there is absolutely a problem with fake streams/stream manipulation.

Re: Swedish criminal gangs using fake Spotify streams to launder money

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bot farms is wildly different than money laundering.

Yeah it isn't clear how they are doing it. Are they using fake accounts with paid membership or free accounts? Both are ineficient but the latter is way more inefficient

They are using bitcoin (dirty money) to buy Spotify plays (clean money)

Re: Swedish criminal gangs using fake Spotify streams to launder money

#87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, but please state a source for that claim. Now, I'm not much better, but from what I recall crime in general is going down - but there are some notable exceptions (gang crime related specifically).

https://www.statista.com/statistics/533790/sweden-rate-of-cr... Seems like it's flat/down over the last 10 years.

A quick look at the number of shootings over the past six years shows that the number of fatalities in shootings reached a new record in 2022. Moreover, a report published by the Swedish national council for crime prevention in 2021 found that Sweden was the only European country in which the number of fatal shootings per 100,000 inhabitant increased since 2000.

https://www.statista.com/topics/7088/crime-in-sweden/

Re: Swedish criminal gangs using fake Spotify streams to launder money

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/533790/sweden-rate-of-cr... Seems like it's flat/down over the last 10 years.

A quick look at the number of shootings over the past six years shows that the number of fatalities in shootings reached a new record in 2022. Moreover, a report published by the Swedish national council for crime prevention in 2021 found that Sweden was the only European country in which the number of fatal shootings per 100,000 inhabitant increased since 2000. https://www.statista.com/topics/7088/crime-in-sweden/

Yep. But, not to be confused with overall crime rate (which my parent was referring to)! That's a very dangerous slide in facts.
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