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Swedish criminal gangs using fake Spotify streams to launder money

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Re: Swedish criminal gangs using fake Spotify streams to launder money

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I have a .com domain that I have been using for many years where a catch-all e-mail is configured. Since some time someone was creating fake Spotify accounts using my domain. I don't have configuration error, no malware or anything like that and I contacted my e-mail service provider Zoho to check this out and they are positive that the e-mails I'm receiving from Spotify are authentic and there's no breach on their p…

> I also contacted Spotify and they are absolutely sure that it's not possible to create accounts without confirming e-mails and can't do anything about it.

Yeah that's not true. We discovered someone was using my son's email address for their Spotify when he tried to register for an account. There are plenty of other accounts of this happening: https://community.spotify.com/t5/Accounts/Why-Does-Spotify-N...

It might be fixed now, but what you're saying was definitely true for a good few years.

Re: Swedish criminal gangs using fake Spotify streams to launder money

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Seems... particularly inefficient. I would've thought there were easier ways.

Unless these gangs have found a way to make money on Spotify, which isn't available to the average artist then I can't imagine it being particularly effective.

The scheme makes no sense to me, but in society like the Swedish where banks are heavily regulated and monitored and where cash is used less and less it might be one of the last ways of laundering money. Still, they are taking SEK, buying crypto, using the crypto to buy fake stream of "music" they put to Spotify to get a meagerly pay out for played streams. The "loses" on each laundered kronor must be immense.

Re: Swedish criminal gangs using fake Spotify streams to launder money

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A criminal gang based in Sweden is a Swedish criminal gang by definition.

So was Al Quaida a Pakistani terrorist group because Bin Laden had his last residence there? Or was it Afghanistan?

Al Qaeda was founded in Pakistan in 1988.

Re: Swedish criminal gangs using fake Spotify streams to launder money

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post #26

I have a .com domain that I have been using for many years where a catch-all e-mail is configured. Since some time someone was creating fake Spotify accounts using my domain. I don't have configuration error, no malware or anything like that and I contacted my e-mail service provider Zoho to check this out and they are positive that the e-mails I'm receiving from Spotify are authentic and there's no breach on their p…

> I also contacted Spotify and they are absolutely sure that it's not possible to create accounts without confirming e-mails and can't do anything about it. Yeah that's not true. We discovered someone was using my son's email address for their Spotify when he tried to register for an account. There are plenty of other accounts of this happening: https://community.spotify.com/t5/Accounts/Why-Does-Spotify-N... It might…

Notice How I keep receiving Spotify promotions for the fake accounts created on my domain. Does this look like Spotify did something about it?

Whatever, I'm not going through all this BS again. Spotify has it's own "Spam box" because it is possible or was possible to create Spotify accounts without verification and a subset of it is created on my domain and I'm not going through the process of fixing up the Spotify's fake account problem.

Someone created these, I tried to inform Spotify about it and if they are find with paying for the streams these accounts (probably) generate, it's all fine by me.

Re: Swedish criminal gangs using fake Spotify streams to launder money

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gangs in Sweden have a diverse set of nationalities in their membership, including Swedes. Don't be a racist, it's scum.

"Diversity is our advantage!" I was told. Didn't know it predominantly included gang violence, as mentioned in the article. You don't fool me into submission with either downvotes or accusations.

I hope you are very aware you don't help to solve the issue in any possible way by being in this hysterical state of fear.

I don't agree with the naïve approach the Swedish government took on immigration, not much was done to actually bridge cultural and economical gaps, Swedish society has become very individualistic and losing its collectivist sense for a while, from what I gather from older generations since at least the 90s. Without a sense of community to integrate immigrants into different aspects of society, just relying on education of children (and hoping those connections between newly immigrant parents and the larger society will be enough) instead of bringing their parents into the fold to become fully citizens and aligning into shared values was never going to work out.

On the other hand, the problem stemming from this naïvety is here, right now, the solution is not to vote for SD (or AfS, and similarly populists parties) who promise to "crack down on immigration and crime" with non-solutions. The solution is not going to be simple, not going to be to just hire more police with lower standards so the government can say it's filling the ranks of Polisen to fight crime, that will only prolong, and escalate gang wars. Not that the police doesn't need more staffing, it needs, but with smart hiring, not just throwing brutes into the mix with lower standards.

It's exactly what happened when Sweden broke up gangs like Vårbynätverket, the power vacuum fueled more violence, as any country with gang issues has known for a long time. The current government is not really willing to hear about a holistic approach to solve this issue, they want to crack down on crime, and just like the narcotics policy: it won't work, it won't stamp out, gangs exist for multiple social reasons and without tackling that side of the equation there's just an infinite game of whack-a-mole, and as we see it just gets worse, now the criminals recruit 12-15 years old to do their murders for them.

I really hope you can see that there is no easy way out of this, I say that as a Brazilian living here for more than a decade: escalating violence against gangs while escalating the anti-immigration rhetoric in a country with a lot of immigrants already feeling left out of society is just going to make everything worse, I really hope Sweden doesn't go through this know failure path because it can get much uglier.

Re: Swedish criminal gangs using fake Spotify streams to launder money

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's just a straight-up scam rather than laundering, generally (the money resulting from _that_ would then need laundering).

Money muling (the activity I described above) is a type of money laundering.

It's just not that useful in Sweden, I'd assume. You want to get the money into the banking system and stay there. What you describe is easily traceable and reversed. Unless you transfer it abroad to... less civilized countries, it's not really helping you.

I find it really hard to believe that this Spotify scam is more effective than some classic Forex scam.

Re: Swedish criminal gangs using fake Spotify streams to launder money

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So was Al Quaida a Pakistani terrorist group because Bin Laden had his last residence there? Or was it Afghanistan?

leadership was pan-arab, organization was pan-islamist. are you confusing al-qaeda with the taliban?

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Re: Swedish criminal gangs using fake Spotify streams to launder money

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Given my experience and knowledge of how Spotify deals with much-less nefarious uses of fake streams, I'm very skeptical of these claims. There's a significant (several month) delay between a Spotify stream and the artist getting a payout. (This is probably shorter if you're Taylor Swift, but the artist profiles involved here aren't.) During this time Spotify will indeed do some checks for stream legitimacy. It's not hard to detect a song from a completely unknown artist somehow getting 1 million streams from southeast Asia.

Given that and the overall inefficiency of this scheme, my uneducated guess would be the "anonymous gang member" decided to fuck with the reporter by coming up with an outlandish, yet plausible-at-a-surface-level scheme, similar to Tony Soprano messing with his golfing buddies by telling them fake mob stories.[0]

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0D3xkOeMdA

Re: Swedish criminal gangs using fake Spotify streams to launder money

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Seems... particularly inefficient. I would've thought there were easier ways.

It seems 30% platform commission is pretty standard across digital platforms (apps, books, music). I'm not well versed in the world of money laundry, so I don't know if that's efficient or not. But if you're willing to pay the commission it seems pretty easy to launder money via fake apps/books/music or other digital goods than can be generated with near zero marginal cost.
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