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Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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The first author is Avi Loeb, who thinks this: > In 2018, he suggested that alien space craft may be in the Solar System, using ʻOumuamua as an example. In 2023, he claimed to have recovered material from an interstellar meteor that could be evidence of an alien starship, claims some experts criticized as hasty and sensational. > On August 24, 2023, The New York Times published an article about Loeb and his search fo…

Excuse me? Take a scientific report with measurements with a grain of salt? Why must an opinion cloud a scientific observation of collected measurements? Put the salt away.

I would hope all science is always taken with a grain of salt, that’s the hallmark of science.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Oh it's Avi Loeb, head of the astronomy department at Harvard. Here's a youtube about what his deal is, by an astronomer who studied astronomy through postdoc level and then left for industry and doing some youtubes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY985qzn7oI

Yea let’s delegate all responsibility to an expert who can think for us instead of forming our own opinion from observation.

It's a detailed video essay that presents a cohesive argument, drawing on a wide variety of sources including Loeb's autobiography.

Form your opinion however you please, but this is an excellent source. It's unfair to tarnish it as merely dogma, or to insult the other commenter as merely a mouthpiece for the scientific establishment for linking to a strong source.

Furthermore, there is such a thing as expertise. Information exists within a context, and it is necessary to understand that context to avoid misinterpreting it. Understanding that context is the nature of expertise. That doesn't mean you accept what they say uncritically, but seeing what experts have to say is in fact an important step when researching an unfamiliar topic.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

#83

The first author is Avi Loeb, who thinks this: > In 2018, he suggested that alien space craft may be in the Solar System, using ʻOumuamua as an example. In 2023, he claimed to have recovered material from an interstellar meteor that could be evidence of an alien starship, claims some experts criticized as hasty and sensational. > On August 24, 2023, The New York Times published an article about Loeb and his search fo…

Excuse me? Take a scientific report with measurements with a grain of salt? Why must an opinion cloud a scientific observation of collected measurements? Put the salt away.

The guy believes he has been spoken to by aliens in his dreams. Unfortunately this means pretty much anything he authors can be safely disregarded as the ramblings of someone in need of psychiatric care.

These nodules are the result of terrestrial geology.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Avi Loeb is an interesting scientist. I read a longer article about him that gave some more background about his work [1]. While he is famous for going on podcasts and making wild claims about objects being signs of alien intelligence, the actual hard science that he's doing is interesting. E.g, this expedition he managed to get funding to recover these extrasolar particles. The clickbaity pop media says that this is…

What is Loeb's reputation among astrophysicists? He's written "over 800 scientific papers". Is that... a good thing in his field?

He’s a hype-monger who is high on his own bullshit. That’s his reputation. He was a reasonable scientist but realised that being a mystic was more profitable.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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The first author is Avi Loeb, who thinks this: > In 2018, he suggested that alien space craft may be in the Solar System, using ʻOumuamua as an example. In 2023, he claimed to have recovered material from an interstellar meteor that could be evidence of an alien starship, claims some experts criticized as hasty and sensational. > On August 24, 2023, The New York Times published an article about Loeb and his search fo…

Thanks for pointing that out! What are your thoughts on the latest UFO congressional hearing? Do you think these people just turned their careers and image to shambles because they just wanted some sensationalism or do you give people any benefit of the doubt?

If only congress doesn't already have plenty of people who are actually making careers out of shaping their own image to be grotesque sensationalist monsters... (Depending on which side you view them from)

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But Pauling didn't successfully "stretch his domain expertise" to vitamin supplements anymore than Carson stretched his to Egyptology. Not to mention Einstein's work as a comedian never really took off.

Either you're trolling or your comprehension is just totally off, but to reiterate the original point was that making breakthroughs in sciences often requires "leaps of faith", which are near impossible to do if you're a textbook rationalist. I didn't make any claims about their domain expertise being cross-domain.

At least we have a point of agreement, that being that: "Either you're trolling or your comprehension is just totally off"

To return to the beginning you arrived here with the statement that

"[Two times] Nobel prize winner and superior[(?)] neurosurgeon criticized as quacks by two internet users"

I pointed out bad paraphrasing, both parties had recognised core skills, both famously championed beliefs that had little to no evidence or support.

Point being neither of "the two internet users" above accused the subjects of being quacks per se .. just that both had definitely publicly veered into quackery.

That's the relevant observation here, a thread about a much lauded elder astrophysicist veering into matters outside off his computational chops, into questions of metallurgy, and not receiving any support from his peers.

TBH I'm a fan of the bulk of Paulings work, quantum chemistry, molecular biology, and his promotion (and Russell's) of nuclear disarmament. I attribute his embrace of megavitamin therapy more to his age and aversion to death.

Carson seems like a talented enough knife man albeit dimmer than many others I know.

You did explicitly state that they both could "stretch their domain expertise 'so far'" which leaves a lot of ambiguity wrt just how far you intended, especially with Pauling who literally had bona fide cross domain credientials (or over lapping credentials in related science fields plus a public voice that lead to his Nobel Peace Prize.)

Minchin, FWiW, is a keenly intelligent comedian and lyricist and frequently mixes in in some on point observations from scientific rationalism, philosophy, logic, et al.

Additionally, I bear you no ill will (I've exercised no votes here) this may all be a case of two people reading past each other.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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The first author is Avi Loeb, who thinks this: > In 2018, he suggested that alien space craft may be in the Solar System, using ʻOumuamua as an example. In 2023, he claimed to have recovered material from an interstellar meteor that could be evidence of an alien starship, claims some experts criticized as hasty and sensational. > On August 24, 2023, The New York Times published an article about Loeb and his search fo…

Thanks for pointing that out! What are your thoughts on the latest UFO congressional hearing? Do you think these people just turned their careers and image to shambles because they just wanted some sensationalism or do you give people any benefit of the doubt?

> Do you think these people just turned their careers and image to shambles because they just wanted some sensationalism or do you give people any benefit of the doubt?

They can also very earnestly believe what they do and simply be wrong.

You're setting up a false dichotomy where someone must either be a deceptive charlatan or else be correct.

Third possibility is deeply held and incorrect belief.

Stockton Rush believed very earnestly in his submersible, he wasn't a simple charlatan, he really had earnest beliefs about it and he literally bet his life on it. He is also dead now because physics decided to show him that he was just wrong.

There's no reason to doubt that Lee Sukbae and Kim Ji-Hoon thought they really had a room temperature superconductor, but they were wrong.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Honestly I think it refutes itself, with the Pentagon clearance and Vatican conspiracy alone, without the political bank-shot argument.

First you hit Sy Hersh with the Vatican stuff, now the UFO people... Who's the Papal Security Agency cutout here?

It's true! I actually am Catholic!

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Some things to keep in mind about these UFO hearings: 1. The reports are all second- and third- hand. To my knowledge, no DoD employee has testified to anybody in Congress that they personally witnessed extraterrestrial technology or "biologics". 2. The exception here is a "Jonathan Grey", who hasn't testified before Congress, or, for that matter, been identified; he's one of David Grusch's sources, under a pseudonym…

This comment is trying to discredit David Grusch. He merely said that those potential beings might not be aliens but might be resident of earth and maybe on other dimensions. He also mentions the Vatican role on one occasion in the 40’s for a case happening in Italy. It’s quite disheartening to see this person putting himself and his career in jeopardy being discredited on the internet by anonymous people using bad f…

I'm not anonymous.
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