Someone please explain: if I fork Firefox or Chrome and delete the censorship code, then I publish it online (eg. in github with a download link), then next time I go to France I will get into trouble?
Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites
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Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites
#82The best solution would be to simply take Firefox off the market in France should this happen. If France wants browsers to work through the government, they can fund it, build it, and make laws to force people to use it.
Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
> They seem to be advised by a bunch of decrepit dudes who stopped learning about computers before the OSI model was created. I suspect its more like "dudes who know nothing about computers (let alone the OSI model)" coming up with dumb ideas. These ideas are all approved and encouraged by advisors under the influence of Big Tech interests, which are more than happy to achieve regulatory capture [0] to protect their…
Actually the current anti-encryption laws going through in the UK are pretty anti-Big Tech. One of the main motivations is they don't think Big Tech is "thinking of the children" and it should be their responsibility to do that.
Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
> ... or to the benefit their friends owning private companies. Yup this one in France is really a big problem. The public sector spendings officially represents something like 58.1% of the french GDP (official "Insee" numbers from 2023, for 2022)... France is not far from a planned economy and, unsurprisingly, it's a particularly harsh environment for real small private SMEs (i.e. those without friends at the state)…
France is really far from a planned economy. Marseille's worst neighborhoods are really chill compared to the bad parts of any American city. The streets are pretty safe. Your comment is kinda ridiculous, stop watching TV. Yeah there are lot of taxes, but those taxes come in handy when you can get 2 years of unemployment benefits when starting a company. Or when you know, get a cancer that would cost a few millions t…
Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites
#85The best solution would be to simply take Firefox off the market in France should this happen. If France wants browsers to work through the government, they can fund it, build it, and make laws to force people to use it.
Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
The old Europe feels cornered by this tech and acts aggressively to defend itself.
I'm from "the old Europe" and not French. Your point?
Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites
#87Someone please explain: if I fork Firefox or Chrome and delete the censorship code, then I publish it online (eg. in github with a download link), then next time I go to France I will get into trouble?
Next step: mandating compiler vendors to modify compilers so that your code doesn't compile :)
Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites
#88Serious question - can governments put mandates on open source software? How would that work? How could it work?
banning software, mass surveillance, mandatory software installed on people's computers
Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites
#89How do they expect to enforce this? Especially against open-source browsers, or companies without a presence in France? One disadvantage of globalization is that you get to see the dumb ideas of all politicians. Somehow, the good ideas don't cumulate the same way...
Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
> "The people know it." Why do I have strong vibes that a better way of phrasing this is " a percentage of the people who thinks the fr gov's been acting against national interest (likely the people who think /their/ interest aligns with the national interest quite closely) knows it." I mean, I don't know France and I'm no friend with "the government" and I oppose turning browsers into anything they are not supposed…
> I don't know France Then don't try to put discredit to the saying of an insider. GP is 100% right. I've been back after about ~5 years living abroad and the country is in an astonishing decline on every plan (educational, moral, economical, political, diplomatic, security, judicial, medical, etc. the list goes one). And most of it is stemming from the policies enforced in the last decades.
I'm sure you perceive the decline, and you were so kind to mention in which fields. Let's take an example, i.e. economy and security. Immigration and illegal immigrants are often related to immigration, in public discourse. I'm sure the government in the last 20 years has done something about it (despite me not knowing France): either it tried to tighten it, or to make it happen more smoothly, or to integrate the immgrants, or to convince them to go back, or...
Now, I'm also pretty confident there's a sizable percentage of people that think that immigration is not a security problem nor an economic problem, but it's casted as such by the right; all these measures were a waste of time and money, which could have been used to improve other stuff in the public interest.
There's a decent amount of people that believe immigration should be helped and increased, and the efforts in controlling it have been wrong, and bad, and against the public interest.
There's people, likely on the right, thinking that there's way too many immigrants, and the previous government didn't do enough to address this; it is in the national interest to reduce immigrants, make sure they are all working, but without hijacking the possibilities for French citizens.
Did I guess correctly? Who is The People, and what is the correct National Interest now? Does it by any chance align with your views on immigration (which might or might not align with those of the OP, btw - we can't say much about those since there was no content)?