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UK MPs: "We're very worried about people debunked due to their repulsive beliefs". Also UK MPs: "We believe ISPs should be able to deinternet people's views based an arbitrary computer models of dubious accuracy." How long before these two views are exposed as contradictory? (Or do they just resolve that internally as "we only support dewhatevering people we don't like"?)
UK MPs: "We're very worried about people debunked due to their repulsive beliefs". Also UK MPs: "We believe ISPs should be able to deinternet people's views based an arbitrary computer models of dubious accuracy." How long before these two views are exposed as contradictory? (Or do they just resolve that internally as "we only support dewhatevering people we don't like"?)
It seemed like most MPs weren't actually bothered about debanking, it's been going on for several years now and surely many of those people affected wrote/spoke to their local MP. It's required someone like Farage to kick up a fuss about it. Hopefully we'll see proper legislation to prevent it going forward but I won't hold my breath.
The next government is going to be even more all-in on the authoritarian/blasphemy-laws nonsense.
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Yep, this will get downvoted, but during covid, A LOT of stuff got censored as "misinformation", that later got proved to be true by the same authorities and scientists (expert groups, etc.), without any apology or even acknowledgement of "the past" and "the current truth". And I'm not talking about the 5g conspiracy theories, we started all this with "masks don't help".
I've seen people say this, but I've not actually observed that at all. What got censored exactly? Personally I feel I got to know everything in proper time as knowledge was being formed and refined. I think it might be because I know how to read papers and understand nuances? And the average person take policies as the same as high confidence proven scientific conclusions, as opposed to the best guess of the time by…
> “There is no specific evidence to suggest that the wearing of masks by the mass population has any potential benefit. In fact, there’s some evidence to suggest the opposite in the misuse of wearing a mask properly or fitting it properly,” Dr. Mike Ryan, executive director of the WHO health emergencies program, said at a media briefing in Geneva, Switzerland, on Monday.
This was a clear recommendation to not wear masks (unless you're caring for sick people), and overnight it turned to mandatory masks. This is not some random person somewhere, but someone who has to say stuff directly to "average people".
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Yep, this will get downvoted, but during covid, A LOT of stuff got censored as "misinformation", that later got proved to be true by the same authorities and scientists (expert groups, etc.), without any apology or even acknowledgement of "the past" and "the current truth". And I'm not talking about the 5g conspiracy theories, we started all this with "masks don't help".
A LOT of stuff got censored as "misinformation", that later got proved to be true What that means is that people were sharing unproven things. Some of the things were later proven, and some weren't. Censoring everything until it's actually proven science is not a bad strategy when people are willing to inject themselves with bleach because they're so desperate for a cure.
We don't censor those.
Why should we censor lab leak theories? It was a valid theory even then and still is. I mean... to go to extreme, why should we censor reptilian 5g zuckerberg-is-a-robot theories at all, why censorship?
People were spraying their houses with vinegar before too, and we didn't censor that, even if it wasn't proven either.
On the other hand, we had real world data that vaccinated people "don't get sick", and we didn't censor that either:
https://web.archive.org/web/20210402002315/https://www.msnbc...
> And we have -- we can kind of almost see the end. We`re vaccinating so very fast, our data from the CDC today suggests, you know, that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don`t get sick, and that it`s not just in the clinical trials but it`s also in real world data.
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Remember 1984, written by Englishman George Orwell? It's worth remembering that in part that was a commentary on British society, through a future lens. When the UK does things which remind of you that, it isn't a coincidence. To be clear I'm not saying "this is literally 1984" or anything like that, I'm just trying to explain how "surveillance state" and "UK" have a LOT of known history.
1984 also wasn't about being watched at all times, it was about how the government had _the potential to_ watch its citizens at any time. And how the citizens changed their behaviors due to this. I mean the government doesn't watch you in the bathrooms, but they are scraping all internet info, have a lot of cameras, and are even flying planes in the sky to record data. People may not be watching those things, but the…
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Yep, this will get downvoted, but during covid, A LOT of stuff got censored as "misinformation", that later got proved to be true by the same authorities and scientists (expert groups, etc.), without any apology or even acknowledgement of "the past" and "the current truth". And I'm not talking about the 5g conspiracy theories, we started all this with "masks don't help".
I've seen people say this, but I've not actually observed that at all. What got censored exactly? Personally I feel I got to know everything in proper time as knowledge was being formed and refined. I think it might be because I know how to read papers and understand nuances? And the average person take policies as the same as high confidence proven scientific conclusions, as opposed to the best guess of the time by…
Zerohedge was kicked off Twitter for suggesting that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was a likely candidate for the origin.
We're seeing that Fauci & Ecohealth co-ordinated the paper to "debunk" the lab leak theory and now the lab leak is looking to be the most likely culprit (it is not without precedent, the 1977 Russian Flu turned out to be a lab leak from gain-on-function research).
Ivermectin, was another. Complete with "horse de-wormer" smears and deplatforming campaigns all over the place.
If you don't know of any instances where this has happened, you either did a masterful job tuning it all out, or still believe 99% of the b/s.
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Yep, this will get downvoted, but during covid, A LOT of stuff got censored as "misinformation", that later got proved to be true by the same authorities and scientists (expert groups, etc.), without any apology or even acknowledgement of "the past" and "the current truth". And I'm not talking about the 5g conspiracy theories, we started all this with "masks don't help".
That really shook my faith in institutions, and I had a lot more faith in institutions than most people do. Then we saw it again, with "inflation is transitory, we aren't even thinking about thinking about hiking interest rates...".
One question to UK fellas: is it me or the UK is becoming some sort of a surveillance state right in front of us just like china?
is it me or the UK is becoming some sort of a surveillance state right in front of us just like china Yes and no. The UK is a highly surveilled country. We have more CCTV cameras than any other country. We have Automatic Number Plate Recognition tracking cars literally everywhere. We're a part of Echelon and Five Eyes and probably a whole bunch of other things. Pretty much everything we do is tracked. But... That dat…
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Yea a faction tried, but on balance of power were denied, and the overall effect was still a net increase of immigration. "net migration to the UK rose to a record high of around 504,000 in the year to June 2022, driven by an increase in the number of non-European Union nationals.[13] The government registered 45,755 people arriving by small boats in 2022, 60% higher than in 2021, according to the Home Office. That h…
The overall net numbers are intentional. If they wanted to decrease them they could do so by dealing with the backlog of claims and providing safe routes. But it’s the divisive propaganda that they want. Sod the humans.
The sum-total of political power when you mix all factions together, and judge things by results of what is happening, not only what is said, then constant positive net foreign migration and an overall consensus of this continuing doesn't support right wing government rule.
>do so by dealing with the backlog, providing safe routes.
If you mean safe route back to their country of origin, that is certainly a possible option that a right wing government might pursue. Since that isn't happening, there isn't a true right wing government in power and hasn't been for some time (have to include the courts here too).
There are factions that maybe talk a good game, and don't move the needle on policy or even consensus rhetoric. That's not a point in favor of right wing politics being in power.
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I've seen people say this, but I've not actually observed that at all. What got censored exactly? Personally I feel I got to know everything in proper time as knowledge was being formed and refined. I think it might be because I know how to read papers and understand nuances? And the average person take policies as the same as high confidence proven scientific conclusions, as opposed to the best guess of the time by…
> I've seen people say this, but I've not actually observed that at all. > What got censored exactly? Zerohedge was kicked off Twitter for suggesting that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was a likely candidate for the origin. We're seeing that Fauci & Ecohealth co-ordinated the paper to "debunk" the lab leak theory and now the lab leak is looking to be the most likely culprit (it is not without precedent, the 1977 Ru…