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UK version of “Online Harms Bill” wants to prefilter content without due process

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Re: UK version of “Online Harms Bill” wants to prefilter content without due process

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One question to UK fellas: is it me or the UK is becoming some sort of a surveillance state right in front of us just like china?

To me (i live in the mainland EU) it looks like a testing ground, to see what passes and what doesn't, so that then our unelected EU officials can try to implement it here too. Be it ACTA, many many attepmts to outlaw encryption (or at least add some key escrow system, or centralized encryption system instead of e2e), etc.

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Aside from "the dark web," are there any efforts to create an impossible-to-censor parallel version or subset of the internet?

There's Freenet but these sorts of projects generally have issues because the biggest segments of society that want impossible-to-censor are also the worst.

> because the biggest segments of society that want impossible-to-censor are also the worst.

This is not true, this is slander. Child pornographers use whatever is available to them. Censors, however, spend all of their time trying to associate people who wish to speak, listen, and associate freely with child pornographers.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A right wing, especially a "far" right wing, government would have mass deportations, stop immigration, promote nationalist ideology, and not allow let alone themselves push things such as pride and other left wing social values. There doesn't exist any single example of this in the Anglo-sphere, nor the UK itself.

You are familiar with the Rwanda Plan, I take it? And maybe the Madagascar Plan?

Yea a faction tried, but on balance of power were denied, and the overall effect was still a net increase of immigration.

"net migration to the UK rose to a record high of around 504,000 in the year to June 2022, driven by an increase in the number of non-European Union nationals.[13] The government registered 45,755 people arriving by small boats in 2022, 60% higher than in 2021, according to the Home Office. That has led to a record backlog of 161,000 asylum cases."

A right wing government in rule would not allow this. It happened and continues to, therefore a right wing government is not in power.

>And maybe the Madagascar Plan?

Right now. Obviously they have been in power in the past. If net foreign migration is positive by large margin, then clearly they are not effectively in power now. If the courts overrule any marginal plans to change this (which themselves don't affect the overall numbers materially) then they are not in power now.

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I don't like this at all, especially in a world where we are finding out so many top scientists lied or fabricated data in their research. The PRESIDENT of Stanford just resigned! It's clear we cannot trust the institutional powers to self-regulate and do the right thing.

Yep, this will get downvoted, but during covid, A LOT of stuff got censored as "misinformation", that later got proved to be true by the same authorities and scientists (expert groups, etc.), without any apology or even acknowledgement of "the past" and "the current truth". And I'm not talking about the 5g conspiracy theories, we started all this with "masks don't help".

That really shook my faith in institutions, and I had a lot more faith in institutions than most people do.

Then we saw it again, with "inflation is transitory, we aren't even thinking about thinking about hiking interest rates...".

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UK MPs: "We're very worried about people debunked due to their repulsive beliefs". Also UK MPs: "We believe ISPs should be able to deinternet people's views based an arbitrary computer models of dubious accuracy."

How long before these two views are exposed as contradictory? (Or do they just resolve that internally as "we only support dewhatevering people we don't like"?)

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I don't like this at all, especially in a world where we are finding out so many top scientists lied or fabricated data in their research. The PRESIDENT of Stanford just resigned! It's clear we cannot trust the institutional powers to self-regulate and do the right thing.

Yep, this will get downvoted, but during covid, A LOT of stuff got censored as "misinformation", that later got proved to be true by the same authorities and scientists (expert groups, etc.), without any apology or even acknowledgement of "the past" and "the current truth". And I'm not talking about the 5g conspiracy theories, we started all this with "masks don't help".

A LOT of stuff got censored as "misinformation", that later got proved to be true

What that means is that people were sharing unproven things. Some of the things were later proven, and some weren't. Censoring everything until it's actually proven science is not a bad strategy when people are willing to inject themselves with bleach because they're so desperate for a cure.

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I don't like this at all, especially in a world where we are finding out so many top scientists lied or fabricated data in their research. The PRESIDENT of Stanford just resigned! It's clear we cannot trust the institutional powers to self-regulate and do the right thing.

DO NOT DENIGRATE THE SCIENCE! The Science is settled and the science is holy, it came down to us from the anointed scientists and anyone who disagrees with or questions the science is a dangerous heretic, wishing to spread misinformation and promote hate. You aren't qualified to ask questions, the science is settled the science has spoken, you are a lowly non-government non-scientist and you are not to get out of lin…

That was the politicians who did that. They even disincentivized valid research and policies that would help. (I.e. testing strategies, masking, quality of masks, programs to get masks out, etc)
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