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90s Internet: When 20 hours online triggered an email from my ISP’s president

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Re: 90s Internet: When 20 hours online triggered an email from my ISP’s president

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got kicked off Autobahn, an SF ISP, for doing _something_ (I don’t remember what) in their provided shell access. Simpler times of experimentation…

I remember having to call Eskimo.com (Northwest ISP) tech support because I couldn't login to my shell account anymore. Turns out you shouldn't just copy+paste whatever you find online and shove it into your .cshrc.

I'm pretty sure I remember talking to people on IRC who used eskimo.com as their ISP.

I don't know if the company is still operational, but their website sure is! https://www.eskimo.com

Re: 90s Internet: When 20 hours online triggered an email from my ISP’s president

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Another saver of long-ago emails here, going back to my initial Internet use in December, 1995, with what then was gte.net. My first modem achieved 14.4Kbps at best, but only if it wasn't raining; for some reason, speeds dropped dramatically when the outside phone lines got wet. Thought I was in tall cotton when I got a 33.6Kbps modem. Even then, it still took over two hours to download each new version of whichever…

> … speeds dropped dramatically when the outside phone lines got wet.

It’s not uncommon (even today) for insulation to fail somewhere on the line, which allows for water intrusion and transient shorts.

Re: 90s Internet: When 20 hours online triggered an email from my ISP’s president

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Before freeserv existed in the UK we didn't have a flat rate and a 800 number you could call into, you dialed a local number and paid by the minute, mum limited me to 2 hours a day and the she would take the RJ9 cable to enforce it. One afternoon at lunch break at school I went down to the local elections store and used 2 days worth of lunch money to buy a secret RJ9. After mum went to bed I'd sneak out my cable and…

I feel you. Already quite some years into the age of DSL I was hospitalized. I needed to stay there for a couple of weeks and had my parents bring my laptop. There was no WiFi or anything. Then I that my laptop had a dial-up socket and also say the telephone on my night table. I introduced the two and managed to get online for the rest of my stay. I used it sparsely because I knew it would cost money. When fired from…

> When fired from the hospital

For anyone else that stumbled over that for a second - "fired" is of course synonymous with "discharged". English is a weird language!

Re: 90s Internet: When 20 hours online triggered an email from my ISP’s president

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I was a little bastard in the late 90s, a script kiddie who executed anything I could find. Ran very obnoxious port scans against everything online. Eventually I got a letter from my ISP and it was a thick binder with "netiquette". How to behave online. And a letter saying basically "we see everything you're doing, cut it out". They probably had complaints on the abuse address of my home IP, since I was a total moron…

Hopefully the statute of limitations has run out, but but when I was young and stupid, I "hacked" a local telephone box in the area to route a payphone line to my house.

I grew up in a supremely rural area. We were not at all wealthy but still one of the few households that could even afford a computer. The computer came with a modem and I wanted to use it to connect to the world. The problem was that every phone call beyond a 1-mile radius or so counted as "long distance," so calling virtually anywhere cost a certain fixed rate per minute. We experimented with CompuServe and Prodigy at various points but the long distance charges alone made it not worthwhile.

I eventually got to learning how physical phone lines worked and figured out that the same telephone box next to the road served both my house and the payphone for the store nearby. Long story short, I bridged the payphone's line to an unused pair at my house and started calling BBSes around the nation that way. I was always careful not to use it during the day, when someone might actually need to use the payphone.

Of course, it only took a couple of months for the phone company to figure out something was amiss. They undid my handiwork and put a lock and seal on the box. They COULD have charged my parents with theft of service or at least delivered a stern warning but evidently they did not or I certainly would have gotten an earful over it.

About a year later, the phone company brought in local dial-up Internet to the town.

Footnote: I found a list of toll-free BBSes somewhere and there were HUNDREDS of numbers listed. I tried them all. Only maybe a dozen were actually free BBSes that you could create an account and log into, the rest were either dead, fax machines, or systems for some specific purpose. Aside from one fairly popular message board that eventually got shut down, it turns out there wasn't much to do on any of them.

Re: 90s Internet: When 20 hours online triggered an email from my ISP’s president

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> "I'm not revisiting an issue that you may have experienced in 1998 with Networks," Fourney wrote. "Times are dramatically different in 2023 than they were in 1998. Not sure why anyone would have an interest in revisiting 28K dialup days of 1998." Bleh, what a boring response from the CEO. It's always interesting to look back and where we were to appreciate how far we've come. Also, there's the nostalgia of 'simple…

I know! This is so sad. One would hope they'd be happy to reconnect with an old customer who still remembers them from 25 years ago.

Re: 90s Internet: When 20 hours online triggered an email from my ISP’s president

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Except now you're limited to 2 TB/mo with no alternatives.

I remember my 56k modem running at less than half the advertised speed, and having to pay by the minute for the privilege, and that the phone number originally being "local rate" shifting into "lo-call rate" as actual local calls became cheaper. 2 TB would have taken me nearly 16 years, and cost as much as a house.

Well, if you go 2 TB over, it might still cost as much as a house.

Re: 90s Internet: When 20 hours online triggered an email from my ISP’s president

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As of a few years ago, my friend's roommate was receiving nastygrams from the ISP for this same thing. My friend refuses to purchase a broadband connection for the house, because she says she believes that her roommate would violate copyright on a massive scale. She uses her iPhone for everything and has no desktop/notebook. So she keeps her roommate on a dial-up modem line. And the ISP does become upset when roommat…

I checked the big ISP in my area and I can't even find a way to book dial-up. Is that still a thing in places?

edit: Oh, apparently there's still a handful here? https://www.teltarif.de/internet/by-call/einwahlnummern.html

Re: 90s Internet: When 20 hours online triggered an email from my ISP’s president

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I worked for a dial up ISP as a network engineer around the same time frame mentioned in the article. A standing instruction was to, as time allowed, manually look at usage across members and force resets on any long standing connections! Mainly this was because it was a small company and this freed up the number of possible incoming connections to avoid busy signals. I was very junior and cringe at how naively unawa…

> I worked for a dial up ISP as a network engineer around the same time frame mentioned in the article.

I was an intern at a large tech company (rhymes with bun) at the time, and one of my tasks was to reset idle ISDN connections that were eating the capacity of our POPs.

Re: 90s Internet: When 20 hours online triggered an email from my ISP’s president

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For me even the weirder part that the CEO knows the author's email program has an interval of 10mins. This CEO checked what kind of traffic is being used. Hopefully he wasn't interested in un-encyrypted traffic data as well!

Most people tended to use their own ISP's mail servers back then. Hotmail, Yahoo, and AOL were the only third-party email services around, before the likes of Gmail took off. It would be trivial to go look at mail server logs to see if X login was connecting every X minutes.

Encryption was seldom used there for POP3/IMAP/SMTP because hey you're on the same ISP network and not crossing the Internet. Further it was pretty easy to hop on a terminal server like a Portmaster and do a debug/packet dump of individual dialup connections if somebody really wanted to see what somebody was doing.

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