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Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'

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Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'

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Post by pessimizer »

111111IIIIIII wrote: post #26
cheschire wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First they came for the graphics artists, but I did not speak out because I was not a graphics artist. Then they came for the writers, but I did not speak out because I was not a writer. Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me... well, except ChatGPT.

I did not speak out because copyright is farcical nonsense that fetishizes the profit motive at the expense of humanity.

That's why copyright violation should be brutally cracked down on when the copyrights of Microsoft are violated, and lawsuits against Microsoft for intentional and widespread copyright violation should be laughed off. Because capitalism is bad.

edit: corporate LLMs have pulled the "one death is a tragedy, ten thousand deaths are a statistic" ploy off fully. If you want people to question whether you're even violating copyright, make sure you violate all of them at the same time. They'll just decide that you're an act of god and not covered under earthly laws.

Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'

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Post by zapataband1 »

blueridge wrote: post #67
chasing wrote: post #44

I mean, it ingested all of the content from my blog. Without my permission. It's not a major part of their corpus of data, but still -- I wasn't asked and I don't really care to donate work to large corporations like that. So the technology is cool, but I'm firmly of the stance that they cut corners and trampled peoples' rights to get a product out the door. I wouldn't be entirely unhappy if this iteration of these p…

One thing I've been thinking about: it's only a matter of time before your friends load an AI assistant on their phone, and it devours every text message you have ever sent to that person, every photo you've shared together, every record of an in-person meeting. This makes me really uncomfortable.

* cuts to AT&T in the background hastily dumping texts into ChatGPT *

Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'

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Post by seaerkin »

Do we think this is related to media platforms seemingly walling themselves off? Requiring accounts to view content, removing API access. It seems if they can silo data off and make it difficult to access at a large scale, then they are the gatekeeper of the data and can control usage and pricing.

Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'

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Post by knaik94 »

tedivm wrote: post #46
knaik94 wrote: post #35

>For the 16 plaintiffs, the complaint indicates that they used ChatGPT, as well as other internet services like Reddit, and expected that their digital interactions would not be incorporated into an AI model. I don't expect this lawsuit to lead anywhere. But if it does, I hope it leads to some clear laws regarding data privacy and how TOS is binding. The recent ruling regarding web scraping makes the case against Ope…

The lawsuit is far more nuanced than you're letting on. There are several aspects that come into play- * Was it published publicly? This is basically defined in the courts as "if you make an unauthenticated web request does the data return?". This is where scraping comes in- if you make the data available without authentication you can't enforce your TOS, because you can't validate that people actually even accepted…

I agree that there is additional nuance, but so far public data scraping has very clearly been ruled as legal. It's possible that at the time of scraping, copyrighted data was incorporated into the training data because it hadn't been taken down by the host platform yet. But in my opinion, the core idea proposed by the suit that private data was used intentionally, is not true. The GPT4 browsing plugin is equivalent to web scraping.

And another complication is that OpenAI is not exposing any static data. A response is generated only after prompting. I'd argue that LLMs are closer to calculators than databses in function. The amount of new information that can be added is also limited, it's is not a continuous learning/training architecture.

I do hope this leads to more clear laws regarding data privacy, but I can't imagine the allegations of "intercepting communications", violating CFAA, or violating unfair competition law will hold.

Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'

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Post by replwoacause »

roel_v wrote: post #79
replwoacause wrote: post #6

A tangential question...but does anyone know what software is used to generate legal documents that look like the PDF linked in the article? I’ve played with LaTeX templates a bit, but I seriously doubt law firms are futzing around with LaTeX for documents as complex as this. They must have some software that produces this formatting.

Lots of lawyers use WordPerfect. Version 5.1. There's plenty of evidence online if you don't believe me, I wouldn't believe me if this was the first time I heard it.

Interesting, I’ll do some searching on this. Thanks!

Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'

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Post by H8crilA »

Levitz wrote: post #77
scarface_74 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don’t get to make information publicly available. But not publicly available. If you want your blog to be restricted, put it behind a login

>You don’t get to make information publicly available. But not publicly available. But we do? Open sourcing something with caveats is common. This code is public BUT not for commercial use. This code is public BUT you must display attribution etc. Sure, blogposts are unlicensed (that I know) but the idea of something publicly available being held to restrictions is nothing new.

Do you allow commercial employees to read the code and incorporate knowledge obtained from the code into their brains?

Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'

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Post by nameless_prole »

knaik94 wrote: post #35

>For the 16 plaintiffs, the complaint indicates that they used ChatGPT, as well as other internet services like Reddit, and expected that their digital interactions would not be incorporated into an AI model. I don't expect this lawsuit to lead anywhere. But if it does, I hope it leads to some clear laws regarding data privacy and how TOS is binding. The recent ruling regarding web scraping makes the case against Ope…

It becomes harder and harder to pretend that this level of data scraping and disregard for consumer privacy is acceptable when things like GDPR exist.

Just because I posted something on reddit because I thought it was funny, doesn't implicitly give permission to anybody to take that post and profit from it. You're doing a disservice to consumers by acting like it's their fault for being exploited.

Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'

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Post by wrren »

JustBreath wrote: post #75
knaik94 wrote: post #35

>For the 16 plaintiffs, the complaint indicates that they used ChatGPT, as well as other internet services like Reddit, and expected that their digital interactions would not be incorporated into an AI model. I don't expect this lawsuit to lead anywhere. But if it does, I hope it leads to some clear laws regarding data privacy and how TOS is binding. The recent ruling regarding web scraping makes the case against Ope…

> Plaintiff ... is concerned that Defendants have taken her skills and expertise, as reflected in [their] online contributions, and incorporated it into Products that could someday result in [their] professional obsolescence ... It's been a bit surreal seeing modern day Luddites come out of the wood works basically coming up with any ethical/legal argument they can that is a thinly veiled way of saying "I don't want…

In this case I think it's a little different. People are saying that they don't want to have their own productive or creative output used to undermine their own standard of living. That's not the same as simply not wanting to have your job automated away by someone else's business innovation.

Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'

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Post by samstave »

jefftk wrote: post #65
pessimizer wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or maybe when you started posting on reddit, LLMs hadn't been invented yet. This is true for 99.9% of the people who post on Reddit.

LLMs were invented at least five years ago (BERT) though you could make the case for a few years earlier. My guess is the majority of Reddit users are new since then, not 0.1%?

My account(s) are 17 years old on reddit.

Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'

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Post by kelipso »

knaik94 wrote: post #35

>For the 16 plaintiffs, the complaint indicates that they used ChatGPT, as well as other internet services like Reddit, and expected that their digital interactions would not be incorporated into an AI model. I don't expect this lawsuit to lead anywhere. But if it does, I hope it leads to some clear laws regarding data privacy and how TOS is binding. The recent ruling regarding web scraping makes the case against Ope…

These things are just not going to go anywhere, big reason being AI is part of the technological race. If AI research gets constrained in the US, progress will happen in China. Since that can't happen, this won't go anywhere.
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