Does every business in the 21st century need to be some form of low-level scam in order to make headway and grow enough to satisfy VCs or investors?
Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'
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Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can personally memorize and recite copyrighted works all I want, but when ChatGPT does it then it’s in a commercial context and they’re liable to be sued for infringement. If you ask ChatGPT the rules for D&D, the private sourcebooks are all in there.
I don’t get your point. Whether you use copyrighted material in commercial context or not always matters. That’s one of the most important aspects of different open source licenses.
This is not true for copyright law (the 4-factor test[0]) or for OSI licenses (they almost universally place no restrictions on commercial use). The only exception that comes to mind right now is the Creative Commons NC, which is generally recognized as being unsuitable for software[1].
[0]: https://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/fair-use/four-factors/ [1]: https://creativecommons.org/faq/#can-i-apply-a-creative-comm...
Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'
#63Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'
#64Hard to understand how this is a crime, or how they came up with 3 billion dollars of damage. Seems like if it's legal for a person to do it should be legal for software to do for the most part.
> Seems like if it's legal for a person to do it should be legal for software to do for the most part. It's legal for me to look out of the window and watch my neighbor go to the supermarket. It's _not_ legal for me to build an automated surveillance system that tracks everybody on the street 24×7 and stores everything into a large database.
I'd say this is more like if someone automated taking pictures of every flyer and missing pet poster people put up on a lightpole and saved it to a database.
There's more deliberate action when you post something on a public online form than just existing in a place outside of your house. Especially considering you've always had the option to use reddit anonymously anyway.
Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
> including personal information obtained without consent Obtained from (check notes) public internet forums > For the 16 plaintiffs, the complaint indicates that they used ChatGPT, as well as other internet services like Reddit, and expected that their digital interactions would not be incorporated into an AI model. You've got to be incredibly naive if you think public Reddit data isn't used to train ML models, not…
Or maybe when you started posting on reddit, LLMs hadn't been invented yet. This is true for 99.9% of the people who post on Reddit.
LLMs were invented at least five years ago (BERT) though you could make the case for a few years earlier. My guess is the majority of Reddit users are new since then, not 0.1%?
Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'
#66Does every business in the 21st century need to be some form of low-level scam in order to make headway and grow enough to satisfy VCs or investors?
Yes, that’s where the disruption comes from. In all Seriousness that’s the advantage left in an efficient market.
Look at all the share economy players it boils down to offload the risk, labor and debt but keep the margin.
Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'
#67I mean, it ingested all of the content from my blog. Without my permission. It's not a major part of their corpus of data, but still -- I wasn't asked and I don't really care to donate work to large corporations like that. So the technology is cool, but I'm firmly of the stance that they cut corners and trampled peoples' rights to get a product out the door. I wouldn't be entirely unhappy if this iteration of these p…
One thing I've been thinking about: it's only a matter of time before your friends load an AI assistant on their phone, and it devours every text message you have ever sent to that person, every photo you've shared together, every record of an in-person meeting. This makes me really uncomfortable.
Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'
#68Does every business in the 21st century need to be some form of low-level scam in order to make headway and grow enough to satisfy VCs or investors?
It does seem like. Playing by the rules limits growth. Stealing, cheating, lying, manipulating, are the endless money cheat, particularly in societies where most people abide by the rules. Once they hit big they find willing politicians to adjust laws to their favor. Rinse and repeat.
Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'
#69I mean, it ingested all of the content from my blog. Without my permission. It's not a major part of their corpus of data, but still -- I wasn't asked and I don't really care to donate work to large corporations like that. So the technology is cool, but I'm firmly of the stance that they cut corners and trampled peoples' rights to get a product out the door. I wouldn't be entirely unhappy if this iteration of these p…
That’s the economics of (non-symbolic) AI. To work, it needs humans to create stuff for free.
Putting it more bluntly, it is somewhere between a parasite and a slave driver.
Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'
#70Wow, I really don’t get it, if I were to memorize billions of pages worth of people’s private messages and medical records, then recited them live in the Internet, would that be a crime??
What exactly is the difference between that and downloading billions of pages worth of people's private messages and medical records, and putting them in a torrent? If there is a difference, I should be able to make a disability discrimination case under the ADA and erase that difference, because I don't have the memory to do that without the aid of a prosthetic (i.e. my laptop.)