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"Breed for the good of the nation" isn't the compelling argument it once was.
You might apply to that anything if you want to go full individualism - from taxes to vaccines but that is not how societies work. Only on paper for the libertarian types.
Doubts creep in about wisdom of ‘no-kids zones’ in South Korea
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What’s wrong with pitbulls? Every one I’ve met is a sweet little thing. And I know the stats on dog attacks. Something like 10 a year from pitbulls could easily be down to owners buying them specifically to use them as weapons and training them as such.
Since you're aware of the statistics, how can you reconcile that only pitbulls seem to have bad owners? Wouldn't we assume a more normal distribution of bad owners across breeds, making golden retrievers, great danes, or bloodhounds just as likely to maim and kill other pets or children?
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I’m happy to discuss what “pro social” means in another thread to prevent derailing this one, to be polite to the forum. My thoughts on the idea are that it means taking care of everyone existing first at a reasonable level of quality, before encouraging more folks to have kids with social or economic incentives because the economic pyramid scheme is at risk [1]. If you have the resources, the support network, and th…
The societal problem is elderly care will skyrocket.
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#85I find few things as obnoxiously childish as grown people that don't want to handle kids being around.
Societal norms have changed. It used to be if a kid was misbehaving or damaging property, you could, as a random adult, tell them to stop. Now, you can't dare speak without the potential of an ugly confrontation because you dared talk to their little price or princess. If that's the norm, I'd rather not have stranger's kids around in public spaces.
Similarly, it used to be that a village raised the kids. We somehow shifted that so that the liability and work is to be borne by the immediate parents, and them alone.
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#86I find few things as obnoxiously childish as grown people that don't want to handle kids being around.
I’m hypersensitive to noise and kids make a lot of noise. A cafe like this would be one of the few I could go to.
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#87I find few things as obnoxiously childish as grown people that don't want to handle kids being around.
It is nice to have spaces that include kids and spaces that are reserved for adults.
I will assert that places which don't teach the younger generations to interact in them, and instead forbid them from being there, are doing themselves a disservice.
But if there are "quiet hours" or "adult swim" times, that makes sense. All the more so when there are kids around to see how that operates. :D
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#88(Disclosure, I am a parent and a happy one.) There is something so bleak about the quiet child hate in the modern world. To me, it implies on some level a lack of hope for a better future. This is as far as I can tell, a systemic problem of the modern world. Yes, bad kids are annoying. We've all been there. The problem is the behavior, not the fact that the misbehaving human is young. I'd be perfectly fine with desig…
It really strange how american kids are so I'll behaved compared to most places here in Europe. Definitely systemic factors at play.
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I’m hypersensitive to noise and kids make a lot of noise. A cafe like this would be one of the few I could go to.
I'm somewhat sympathetic. Especially so as I know this can range heavily in impact on folks. Such that wanting a place reserved for low noise makes sense. Educating kids on how to act in those environments is important, and can't be done by forbidding them from being there. Often you are left with adults that then don't know how to act in those places, either.
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
Societal norms have changed. It used to be if a kid was misbehaving or damaging property, you could, as a random adult, tell them to stop. Now, you can't dare speak without the potential of an ugly confrontation because you dared talk to their little price or princess. If that's the norm, I'd rather not have stranger's kids around in public spaces.
We could redress that norm, though? Similarly, it used to be that a village raised the kids. We somehow shifted that so that the liability and work is to be borne by the immediate parents, and them alone.