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Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

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Post by lotharbot »

rooshdi wrote: post #63

Why are most of the top comments up in arms about this article and not the magic secrets of Teller one? If you're going to shout "irrelevant", at least be consistent. I think this speaks volumes of the biases inherent in some of the commenters here. You may not believe it, but there are some individuals here who would like to discuss the technological, entrepreneurial, and maybe even human right implications of the e…

> "Why are most of the top comments up in arms about this article and not the magic secrets of Teller one?"

From the guidelines[0]: "Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic."

[0] http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

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Post by nyellin »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #78
orbitingpluto wrote: post #50

If you want to take an entrepreneurial lesson from this: 1) Get your permits. Dot your Is, cross your Ts if you can. If you can't and you think you are in the right, you should probably do it anyway. 2) If someone infinitely more powerful than you wants you to fail, things will not be easy for you. 3) Politics, business and technology mix whether you want them to or not. 4) If you are a powerful entity bullying your…

After years on HN, I am going to post my first negative response to someone's comment, yours! The Israeli government's actions in this and many other acts are completely immoral. Your 1) point may have some logical validity in general, but for the good of the Israeli and Palestinian people, the whole world needs to get behind slamming down on the actions of the Israeli government, which also I believe also will hurt…

Really? The world must unite to fight the possibly unethical enforcement of a sensible law in a country which has (for the most part, but with some exceptions outside of its jurisdiction) an excellent court system that has overturned similar decisions in the past?

This is a controversial issue, which doesn't belong on HN, partly because people's strong opinions on Israel are often disproportionate to their overall interest in human rights in the middle east. People in this thread have a special self-righteous stick up their ass for Israel, but can't name the neighboring countries which executed or imprisoned gays, woman rights activists, and journalists or even tweeters last year.

Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

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Post by meric »

lotharbot wrote: post #32
nailer wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

pg has steadfastly refused to limit topic discussion beyond the wide ranging and vague 'anything that may be on interest to hackers'.

In the guidelines [0], immediately after the aforementioned vague comment, pg gives some specific restrictions: "Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic." [0] http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

"If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic."

I don't think they'd cover this on TV news.

Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

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Post by rooshdi »

nyellin wrote: post #82
mark_l_watson wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After years on HN, I am going to post my first negative response to someone's comment, yours! The Israeli government's actions in this and many other acts are completely immoral. Your 1) point may have some logical validity in general, but for the good of the Israeli and Palestinian people, the whole world needs to get behind slamming down on the actions of the Israeli government, which also I believe also will hurt…

Really? The world must unite to fight the possibly unethical enforcement of a sensible law in a country which has (for the most part, but with some exceptions outside of its jurisdiction) an excellent court system that has overturned similar decisions in the past? This is a controversial issue, which doesn't belong on HN, partly because people's strong opinions on Israel are often disproportionate to their overall in…

Issues with other countries in the middle east have been discussed. Some examples:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3599396

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2157796

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3575029

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=550719

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=452153

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2616318

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1565419

Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

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Post by mcantelon »

tkahn6 wrote: post #59
mcantelon wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Not only was the KD hotel a military headquarters Partially true... part of the hotel was used by the British for their offices: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel#History >it was supposed to be empty at the time of the bombing. Not quite. According to Wikipedia "Warnings were sent by telephone, including one to the hotel's own switchboard, which the hotel staff decided to ignore, but none directly to the…

Yes the part of the hotel that was bombed was the part of the hotel that was used by the British military thereby invalidating your value judgement that the attack was meant to kill civilians.

The bombing killed many more civilians than they did British: "41 Palestinian Arabs, 15-28 British citizens, 17 Palestinian Jews, 2 Armenians, 1 Russian, 1 Greek and 1 Egyptian" according to WikiPedia. Not a surprising result when setting off a huge bomb in a hotel, even if in a specific area of a hotel. The list of the organization's previous attacks includes many directed against civilians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_attacks). If the killing of civilians was indeed not part of their aim, you would think the organization would treat the operation as a tragic mistake and distance themselves from it rather than coming together to commemorate it in 2006.

Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

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Post by hamoid »

JS_startup wrote: post #34
nailer wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

pg has steadfastly refused to limit topic discussion beyond the wide ranging and vague 'anything that may be on interest to hackers'.

Not sure why 'hackers' would care about Israel-Palestine drama

Because they like thinking about solutions to difficult problems?

Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

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Post by zzzzxxxx »

grannyg00se wrote: post #10

"But last month, Israel's Civil Administration - a branch of the military dealing with Palestinian civilians..." That sounds like the problem right there.

I love how you managed to find the root cause and the implied solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, all while sipping your morning coffee.

Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

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Post by Untitled »

ucee054 wrote: post #62

This post is no less informative and no more political than, for example, this post on ACTA: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3620579 In my understanding it is in fact both acceptable under the guidelines and especially relevant to hackers and I will explain my reasoning on each point in order. The post is acceptable under the guidelines because it is factual reporting about Palestine and Israel, which is importan…

> I do not believe would normally get reported in the US media.

Why? Because you believe in a conspiracy of US news companies? This is laughable. If you cannot read these stories then go to Huffington Post or similar circle jerk sites. THIS DOES NOT BELONG ON HN NEWS

> I believe that the reason the facts about Palestine are suppressed is because of organized "Hasbara" (public relations) efforts by Israel's supporters in the USA. (Example link: http://www.hasbara.com/)

Those anti-Israeli people often accuses those who support Israel or at least mention that Israel is a secular democracy with freedom of religion (compared to its neighbours) as being "Hasbara boys". I've been accused of this various times - it is a way to silence anyone who defends Israel.

> Otherwise I can't explain why there hasn't been more uproar about Israel's killing of US servicemen

USS liberty was an accident that happened 40 years ago. Every anti-Israeli likes to bring this up...

> For example, given the facts that I know about how Israel treats innocent Palestinian civilians, I have an ethical problem with Israel and do not intend to work for Israel, to buy Israeli products, to do business with Israel,

I dislike how non-Muslims and women are treated in almost all the countries around Israel (Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Jordan, etc...). Israel is a shining example of democracy and technological development. They produced more nobel prize winners than all of the other countries combined. They have technological industry and development and a modern society. Whilst women are not allowed to even go outside of the house in most neighbouring countries.

But any case your tripe does not belong on Hacker News! Go back to reddit!

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