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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by shrimpx »

tmn wrote: post #15

I find this subject fascinating. As the article states, Navy pilots are on record as eye witnesses for this stuff, along with the various radar feeds, etc. I'm curious what HN thinks of the following: There are 3 comprehensive possibilities (correct me if you think differently): 1. These crafts are ET origin 2. These crafts are human origin (secrete military tech or similar) 3. This is a psyop Due to the supposed fee…

After taking the pilots' accounts on face value, this analysis gave me new insight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsEjV8DdSbs

The pilots claim they saw a flying saucer that was rotating in weird ways, and provide a grainy video that's kind of convincing. The analysis proves it was lens flare.

There are additional debunked UAP videos released by the military, including one that is lens bokeh around starlight, which is debunked by showing the configuration of the "triangle UAPs" matches the positions of stars at that time, including additional evidence that the camera used on those ships has triangle aperture.

This tells me there's a chance of a disappointing but realistic option 4: military incompetence. They take these videos, they don't know what they are, so they go into some data pipeline and categorized as UAP. Then people/congress become aware that there are "UAP videos", and we go through this declassification song and dance, only to get these bokeh and lens flare videos, that the military themselves do not know they are bokeh/lens flare, and they have to find out about it on YouTube.

Giving the military more benefit of the doubt, the likely option is 3: psyop. They spread UAP rumors to confuse adversaries, knowing these UAP videos they have are BS. When they release these easily debunked videos, the adversaries could be further confused, still not knowing what they really have.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by ben_w »

dogman144 wrote: post #42
ben_w wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Free energy devices and instant travel would decimate the economy that keeps the elite in power. If free energy had that effect, electricity prices wouldn't sometimes go negative. Also, why would instant travel (at what resource cost?) be any worse than e.g. telepresence robots for humans and just-in-time delivery for goods?

Because to phrase it in a certain way - the final 10 yards of power are exerted in meatspace. You can video chat with dissidents around the world? Cool, the state can still kick in your door or shut off your ISP or shut off your cross-border financing at the ISP or.. You can travel to join those dissidents and come back as you please, wherever whenever? Where can the State able to enforce final power there? It’s much…

> Cool, the state can still kick in your door or shut off your ISP or shut off your cross-border financing at the ISP or..

Or use a drone, hence why that's clearly not sufficient technology to undermine the Illuminati or whoever it is that's supposed to benefit from suppressing space magic rapid transit.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by jredwards »

tmn wrote: post #15

I find this subject fascinating. As the article states, Navy pilots are on record as eye witnesses for this stuff, along with the various radar feeds, etc. I'm curious what HN thinks of the following: There are 3 comprehensive possibilities (correct me if you think differently): 1. These crafts are ET origin 2. These crafts are human origin (secrete military tech or similar) 3. This is a psyop Due to the supposed fee…

This reminds me of the "Liar, Lunatic, or Lord" argument that religious people use regarding Jesus. Let's not railroad the options, here. There's room for nuance (like combinations or, frankly, just misunderstandings).

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by mostlysimilar »

krapp wrote: post #80
erdos4d wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is the fact that Grusch gave sworn testimony to congress on it, he's going to prison for perjury if he's lying. Doesn't prove it, but it's more than just saying it in an interview.

People lie to Congress all the time without any consequences. That depends more on the political necessity of having a scapegoat/figure to tar and feather than the actual law.

> People lie to Congress all the time without any consequences.

Examples?

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Post by ben_w »

chasd00 wrote: post #41
ben_w wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Free energy devices and instant travel would decimate the economy that keeps the elite in power. If free energy had that effect, electricity prices wouldn't sometimes go negative. Also, why would instant travel (at what resource cost?) be any worse than e.g. telepresence robots for humans and just-in-time delivery for goods?

Well, you could “instant travel” an IED into your political adversary’s bedroom. That would be pretty bad.

Can do that with a tube filled with any of a wide range of fuels and oxidisers, too.

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Post by Gud »

erulabs wrote: post #39
thedangler wrote: post #9

The fact of the matter is the implications if this is real. Which it probably is to a point. Free energy devices and instant travel would decimate the economy that keeps the elite in power. “We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity.” ― Ben Rich CEO Lockheed Skunk Works

The “elite” who brings the world infinite power will be the most famous and remembered and respected human who ever lived, and will live immortal in the history books. Call me naive but I don’t think the desire to keep the status quo is greater than the desire to be the literal savior.

The "elite" in many cases aren't part of the ruling class due to some intrinsic greatness, but because they were usually born into it.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by generalizations »

tiffanyh wrote: post #56

If true, I'm curious to know how the government even came into possession of such non-human aircraft. E.g. - did they shoot it down? (this seems to contradict the claims that the aircraft can perform unrealistic maneuvers like massive acceleration / extreme changes in vector) - did some random farmer stumble upon the craft? (then why didn't the farmer post photos of it online and/or speaking out about it) - where was…

Or it crashed of its own accord, but instead of a farmer finding it, they'd been tracking it carefully and got there first.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by generalizations »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #45

I'm trying to think of any sci-fi stories where the aliens are lost tourists or similar. They are usually presumed to be scientists or government representatives checking out Earth and/or humankind. Maybe ET? -- I don't think that's explained? It's been a lot of years since I saw it. The reality is that the government is interested in unexplained phenomenon primarily for security reasons. That statement does not say…

That sounds like Transition, by Ian Banks.
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