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Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin

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Re: Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin

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Post by graderjs »

Pompidou wrote: post #80
graderjs wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not true, and that’s the wrong position to take now: that’s just denying the evidence. That’s okay to do, some people are going to do that for a while and need time. But if you stick to denying, just own it, don’t pretend it’s the truth or reality. For the curious: There’s lots of evidence in photo and video form, and there are tiny fragments seemingly with advanced metallurgy. These are things that have alrea…

Can you provide any link to good photos or videos evidences ? I've never heard of any advanced metallurgy. Do you have any usefull web ressource for me to know more ?

Haha, I watched the video the other day on that channel, but I can't remember which video it was, sorry!

Alright I found two that are related to what I mean (that actually shows the fragments):

- https://youtu.be/zNZHTlRFD6E?t=1415

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9xDsOkrPRo

These ones are connected to Linda Moulton Howe.

Here's another one with I guess different fragments related to Gary Nolan (where he just talks with Lex Friedman): https://youtu.be/EBsUIj_UBBE?t=50

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Post by [deleted] »

Loquebantur wrote: post #46
PKop wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He could simply be lying, pushing a propaganda message of the state. Why would you without evidence believe he is being truthful whatsoever? There is geopolitical advantage to making the world think you have advanced weapons tech, or that it exists and has to be found somewhere.

I do not "believe" anything if I can help it. Here, the guy has supporting testimony from a whole array of decorated people in important positions. The context checks out. To assume he was "lying" is what is preposterous. You frame the events as if some noname-guy came up in a vacuum claiming incredible stuff. That is not at all what is happening. You not knowing about all that and not even recognizing that this circ…

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Post by [deleted] »

Loquebantur wrote: post #62
lisasays wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Watergate had tapes, reams of documents - and riveting testimony under penalty of perjury. When we have that on the table in regard to this matter -- we'll have something to talk about. As it stands now -- we have nothing.

The events here are clearly indicative of something unusually important happening. Your attempts to relativize that with nonsensical "Let's put the cart before the horse and our heads in the sand"-arguments are misleading.

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Post by keernan »

romseb wrote: post #76
keernan wrote: post #18

Interesting word choice: 'non-human' vs 'extra-terrestrial'

This is in parts to remove the baggage that comes with the word, but also to be more precise in what is described here: https://i.redd.it/sm2tecjyuqf91.png

That's incredibly thorough. I guess I've not given it sufficient thought before.

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Post by zarnch »

lisasays wrote: post #36
Timon3 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course evidence would be much better (though I'm not sure what kind of evidence I would actually trust). But if the story is true, it makes sense that we're not seeing anything: given that they're talking about an arms race with other countries, the US would not want to show any details that adversaries might not already know. Since the US government looked over everything they wouldn't allow actual evidence to be…

So lack of evidence it itself -- a form of evidence? I'm not sure what to say to that.

It's known as the Appeal to Ignorance fallacy in intro to critical thinking classes.

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Post by RealAberration »

Loquebantur wrote: post #62
lisasays wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Watergate had tapes, reams of documents - and riveting testimony under penalty of perjury. When we have that on the table in regard to this matter -- we'll have something to talk about. As it stands now -- we have nothing.

The events here are clearly indicative of something unusually important happening. Your attempts to relativize that with nonsensical "Let's put the cart before the horse and our heads in the sand"-arguments are misleading.

> The events here are clearly indicative of something unusually important happening.

Yes, probably some kind of rather involved psychological/propaganda operation to jump-start the public's faith in technology as the solution to manifestly worsening conditions, or to restore faith in institutions whose credibility is in tatters.

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Post by speakfreely »

david-gpu wrote: post #69
speakfreely wrote: post #55

While the content sounds good, the context is off. Here's the top domains of the first page of Google results when you Google this officer's name: debrief.org, nysun.com, dailystar.co.uk, dailymail.co.uk, the-sun.com, brobible.com, ar15.com, dailywire.com, m4carbine.net These are the same sites I would expect to see blurry pictures of Big Foot. Unless we're assuming that the Department of Defense is capable of suppre…

The authors of the article are Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal, the people who broke off the news about the secret US program to study UFOs on the New York Times back in 2017 and 2018. The other journalist that has interviewed the whistleblower is Ross Coulthart, the award-winning investigative journalist who published interviews with Nat Kobitz, former US Navy Science and Tech Director, who claimed to have knowledg…

So New York Times, where Ralph worked for 45 years, was not interested in this story? They also mention the Washington Post did not run it, claiming they "needed to publish quickly" without explaining why they couldn't wait for WaPo to authenticate it.

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Post by graderjs »

prirun wrote: post #19

I can believe there would be a lot of competition between the different armed services and even private corporations in keeping this kind of information to themselves, to allow them to use the information for their own private gain. For example, the Air Force would want it kept to themselves for "their" future technology plans and wouldn't want the Navy to get it for "their" plans. And the same for individuals and co…

This was never a secret tho. Define secret. It's not "unknown", in this case, is it? That's part of the plan. The machinery of secrecy: disinformation. Poison the well with so much crazy balderdash, that you end up hiding in plain sight.

This narrative has been out for decades, and previous government insiders have come forward, but it's always carefully constructed with many "outs", so that people can dismiss it. So it's not secret, people have known about this, and you may have been told about this, but you would have dismissed it as crazy. That's part of the plan. That's how you keep a secret, you get the people to keep it for you. By not hiding it, just making it seem ridiculous.

Of course the details, real and high quality photos/videos or aliens, and actual physical craft you can go and touch, are still hidden. But through the vanguard of disinformation you can help protect all that by making any approach to the topic seem ridiculous. Then even if anyone leaks from that special access project area, you are aided by the fact that people view the whole topic through the lens of the ridiculousness you have carefully created.

A comprehensive counterintelligence strategy. Is how you do it. I guess.

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Post by graderjs »

speakfreely wrote: post #88
david-gpu wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The authors of the article are Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal, the people who broke off the news about the secret US program to study UFOs on the New York Times back in 2017 and 2018. The other journalist that has interviewed the whistleblower is Ross Coulthart, the award-winning investigative journalist who published interviews with Nat Kobitz, former US Navy Science and Tech Director, who claimed to have knowledg…

So New York Times, where Ralph worked for 45 years, was not interested in this story? They also mention the Washington Post did not run it, claiming they "needed to publish quickly" without explaining why they couldn't wait for WaPo to authenticate it.

It's not just not the mainstream media onto it. Even the dedicated UFO gatekeepers haven't touched it yet. I think that indicates that: it's factional, and it's a new faction.
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