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California spent $17B on homelessness – it’s not working

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Re: California spent $17B on homelessness – it’s not working

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Post by senttoschool »

realjhol wrote: post #58
russdill wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently if someone is hungry and you feed them, or if they are naked and you clothe then it's your own damn fault that people keep showing up.

More like... - "when I was drug addicted you gave me cash" - "when I was stealing to fund my addictions, you made shop lifting legal for stolen items amounting to $1000 or less" - "when I was making violent threats, and assaulting members of the public you let me walk free" - "when the police tried to intervene you said they were systematically racist against people of color and should be defunded" - "when I had ment…

That's right. That's the hell hole San Francisco created. The city officials thought the tech tax money would never run out. Let's do extremely expensive feel-good, politically correct stuff to make people think we have a good heart.

Re: California spent $17B on homelessness – it’s not working

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Post by senttoschool »

crooked-v wrote: post #33
senttoschool wrote: post #2

Everyone already knows that the more money California spends on homeless, the more of them will come to California. It's a service. The state/city that provides the best service for homeless people - that's where I will try to go if I don't have a home. Politicians don't seem to understand this. Or maybe they do, but they do the wrong thing in order to drum up politically correct votes. Take San Francisco. It spends…

Does that free apartment in Idaho also come with food, drug treatment, social services, and at least the remote possibility of actually getting a job, all in Idaho?

Probably. You can even hire people to guard them, feed them, try to bring them back to society slowly.

Re: California spent $17B on homelessness – it’s not working

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Post by Kbelicius »

realjhol wrote: post #58
russdill wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently if someone is hungry and you feed them, or if they are naked and you clothe then it's your own damn fault that people keep showing up.

More like... - "when I was drug addicted you gave me cash" - "when I was stealing to fund my addictions, you made shop lifting legal for stolen items amounting to $1000 or less" - "when I was making violent threats, and assaulting members of the public you let me walk free" - "when the police tried to intervene you said they were systematically racist against people of color and should be defunded" - "when I had ment…

> "when I had mental health issues, you closed down all the mental hospitals because you said they were oppressive institutions"

Wasn't that Reagan? Don't think that he was on the left.

Re: California spent $17B on homelessness – it’s not working

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Post by realjhol »

Kbelicius wrote: post #84
realjhol wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More like... - "when I was drug addicted you gave me cash" - "when I was stealing to fund my addictions, you made shop lifting legal for stolen items amounting to $1000 or less" - "when I was making violent threats, and assaulting members of the public you let me walk free" - "when the police tried to intervene you said they were systematically racist against people of color and should be defunded" - "when I had ment…

> "when I had mental health issues, you closed down all the mental hospitals because you said they were oppressive institutions" Wasn't that Reagan? Don't think that he was on the left.

There's plenty of stupidity to go around

Re: California spent $17B on homelessness – it’s not working

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Post by pc_edwin »

rhaway84773 wrote: post #45
pc_edwin wrote: post #30

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So where is that 5% on your bell curve in Rio De Janeiro? Or most of Europe? Or most parts of Asia? Why is the 5% of people in the world who according to you are uncivilized concentrated in the U.S.? Because homelessness of the sort that you see in the US simply doesn’t exist in most countries in the world. Both countries that are as rich or significantly poorer than the US.

Ready my OP again, thats my exact point!

This is not caused by some unprecedented economic crash or poverty crises. As I've said in the OP, "this is an epidemic of uninformed tolerance and apathy ravaging an entire nation."

These are either addicts, mentally ill or uncivilised people. Every society from the most liberal ones to the most tyrannical ones have set up laws and institutions to deal with them.

You forcefully institutionalise the mentally ill. You provide an option of voluntary treatment to addict or forced. You forcefully remove the uncivilised people.

I personally have stronger beliefs when it comes to what to do with these peoples but that will get me banned (its a little biblical).

What I'm talking about here is the humane/liberal option. The alternative is to let them rot and devolve further whilst ravaging our cities, nobody wins.

Re: California spent $17B on homelessness – it’s not working

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Post by drewcoo »

herbst wrote: post #60
ugjka wrote: post #15

I heard it is so bad that foreigners regret their vacation trips to California, particularly San Francisco

That's not new tho. The 'romantic' idea of travelling to the us always comes with the ugly taste of open poorness, public drug consumptions and general inhumane behaviour to their homeless and sick. It's not only SF or Cali that has this image at this point. It's kinda hard to overlook when this simply does not exist where you are from.

Hey, there's more to the US than that for visitors. Don't forget that we're also globally known for our racism and gun crimes!

Re: California spent $17B on homelessness – it’s not working

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Post by drewcoo »

pc_edwin wrote: post #54
alpineidyll3 wrote: post #18

Half the dysfunction with political efforts to ameliorate homelessness is the toxicity of touching a difficult issue. Homelessness is beyond any one term or individual to solve. Certainly you cannot cure the addictions, disabilities or madness of these unfortunate people overnight. The only solution people would actually like is if the homeless were to disappear.

I can solve it in under a year. These are either mentally I'll people or people who refuse to maintain the minimum amount of civility required by modern humanity. They should either be forcefully institutionalised or forcefully removed with imprisonment for repeat offence. Public streets are public property, this is no law that allows this sort of lunacy. Everywhere else these ... are atleast thrown away to some dark…

I hope there's also room in those institutions to try to reform sociopaths with draconian ideas about social problems.

If not, I want to play Judge Dredd this time!

Re: California spent $17B on homelessness – it’s not working

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Post by polski-g »

jxramos wrote: post #49
vmfunction wrote: post #26

with $17B, we can literally 3D print a bunch of micro housing. Seems like money is still wasted in Bureaucrat, red tap and some kind financial fraud.

I've heard it called the homelessness industrial complex, that was from some City Journal article someone posted to HN some years back that introduced me to that publication. It was a shocking thing to contemplate but yah with that sum of money what exactly do we have to show for it?

If you're being paid by the government to manage homeless people, your incentive is to keep them homeless. Else your contact would end.

Re: California spent $17B on homelessness – it’s not working

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

My priors are that if the WSJ is making obviously BS headlines in the format "California spent on something. It failed" then California is likely half-heartedly doing the right thing and should do more of it.

And is likely saving money compared with whatever the WSJ is pushing as an alternative.

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