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Re: Wikipedia had wrong Vatican flag for years – now incorrect flags are everywhere

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Post by labster »

addaon wrote: post #56
bboygravity wrote: post #53

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k thanks, now I want to know what official flag breaks/broke the most of those rules and conventions :p

Eh, rules are meant to be broken. And keep in mind these are at best European rules -- and even then, certain areas (England!) took them more seriously than others. There's also a lot of rules lawyering possible. e.g. red doesn't touch black on the German flag, because that would violate the first rule; instead, the field (background) is half black and half gold (color touching metal, fine), and the red stripe is on…

I thought that red didn’t touch black in the German flag, it touches sable, which is a fur. And furs can be placed on metal or color. … yeah, rules lawyering.

Re: Wikipedia had wrong Vatican flag for years – now incorrect flags are everywhere

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Post by octernion »

wolverine876 wrote: post #74
lolinder wrote: post #73

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You didn't even bother following the link to the Twitter thread. The photo of the Apollo 11 display shown in the thread was taken from Wikimedia Commons, uploaded in 2008 [0]. The other one, with Pope Benedict seated next to a red-tiara'd flag comes from archivio.quirinale.it, the official archives of the Italian presidency [1]. [0] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Vatican_City_lun... [1] https://archivio.…

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Re: Wikipedia had wrong Vatican flag for years – now incorrect flags are everywhere

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Post by brewmarche »

kevinmchugh wrote: post #49
dheera wrote: post #32

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That's the punishment companies get for not providing their official logos for download in an easy format without fuss. If you have a startup, have a "media kit" page with all of this stuff. Logos for black and white backgrounds in open vector and raster formats, founder photos, bios, company intros, product photos, video clips of your product that you're okay with media cutting up and using.

If you want it to be usable on Wikipedia, how do you assign the IP?

IIRC a lot of logos technically don’t meet the threshold of originality so they’re not even copyrightable

Re: Wikipedia had wrong Vatican flag for years – now incorrect flags are everywhere

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Post by irrational »

operatingthetan wrote: post #76
ytdytvhxgydvhh wrote: post #75

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Maybe the Olympics have done worse but your link isn’t Olympic-related.

Whoever is downvoting this please ask yourself when the last time Kuwait hosted the Olympics was...

No idea, but I’ll guess the answer is never?

Re: Wikipedia had wrong Vatican flag for years – now incorrect flags are everywhere

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Post by dragonwriter »

Someone wrote: post #26
addaon wrote: post #2

One of looking at this is that European banners, coats of arms, etc, are traditionally defined in writing (often using a domain-specific language called a blazon), and then compiled to a visual form by a banner maker. This compilation is intended to be reversible -- one goal is to be able to look up the written form in a book of heraldry based on the visual appearance -- but, just like compiling code, is not a one-to…

> but it looks like it's something like "banner divided in yellow (towards the flagpole) and white https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Vatican_City says “A vertical bicolour of gold and white” . I would have thought that should be gold and silver ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tincture_(heraldry) ), but ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tincture_(heraldry)#Other_tinc... ) “The heraldic scholar A. C. Fox-Davies propo…

> I would have thought that should be gold and silver

The Vatican City flag (when also referencing the descriptions of elements imported from the coat of arms) uses yellow and white and gold and silver (and the gold and silver are on the white.

Re: Wikipedia had wrong Vatican flag for years – now incorrect flags are everywhere

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Post by underratedbug »

wolverine876 wrote: post #74
lolinder wrote: post #73

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You didn't even bother following the link to the Twitter thread. The photo of the Apollo 11 display shown in the thread was taken from Wikimedia Commons, uploaded in 2008 [0]. The other one, with Pope Benedict seated next to a red-tiara'd flag comes from archivio.quirinale.it, the official archives of the Italian presidency [1]. [0] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Vatican_City_lun... [1] https://archivio.…

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Re: Wikipedia had wrong Vatican flag for years – now incorrect flags are everywhere

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Post by addaon »

labster wrote: post #81
addaon wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh, rules are meant to be broken. And keep in mind these are at best European rules -- and even then, certain areas (England!) took them more seriously than others. There's also a lot of rules lawyering possible. e.g. red doesn't touch black on the German flag, because that would violate the first rule; instead, the field (background) is half black and half gold (color touching metal, fine), and the red stripe is on…

I thought that red didn’t touch black in the German flag, it touches sable, which is a fur. And furs can be placed on metal or color. … yeah, rules lawyering.

Yeah; in most of Western Europe sable is a color, but apparently in Germany and parts east it's considered a fur...

Re: Wikipedia had wrong Vatican flag for years – now incorrect flags are everywhere

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Post by TeMPOraL »

lolinder wrote: post #54

This feels like the author jumped to the conclusion that Wikipedia was at fault because it's a common enough story and sounded good, but it doesn't add up. See addaon's comment for an explanation of why heraldry here isn't as cut-and-dry as we're used to for, say, the US flag. But even aside from that, the author neglected to check the full edit history on the Wikipedia file: the very first version of the flag (25 No…

> It's hard to imagine the flag flown at the UN being done as a rush job from a Wikipedia article.

I imagine, given enough time, graphical equivalent of citogenesis[0] might kick in. Even assuming that, and that in a hypothetical reality, the Internet somehow confused both the UN and Vatican officials as to what the Vatican flag was, at some point you're better off just making it official and letting kids 50 years later have a laugh when learning about it on history lessons.

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[0] - https://xkcd.com/978/

Re: Wikipedia had wrong Vatican flag for years – now incorrect flags are everywhere

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Post by [deleted] »

addaon wrote: post #88
labster wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought that red didn’t touch black in the German flag, it touches sable, which is a fur. And furs can be placed on metal or color. … yeah, rules lawyering.

Yeah; in most of Western Europe sable is a color, but apparently in Germany and parts east it's considered a fur...

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