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Wikipedia had wrong Vatican flag for years – now incorrect flags are everywhere

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Re: Wikipedia had wrong Vatican flag for years – now incorrect flags are everywhere

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This feels like the author jumped to the conclusion that Wikipedia was at fault because it's a common enough story and sounded good, but it doesn't add up. See addaon's comment for an explanation of why heraldry here isn't as cut-and-dry as we're used to for, say, the US flag. But even aside from that, the author neglected to check the full edit history on the Wikipedia file: the very first version of the flag (25 No…

Yeah, this looks like "Wikipedia is wrong because it's Wikipedia" as opposed to the encyclopedia actually being wrong.

Re: Wikipedia had wrong Vatican flag for years – now incorrect flags are everywhere

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Accuracy is hard. As with many things, the first 90% takes 10% of the time, the last 10% takes 90%.

Wikipedia seems filled with misinformation (or BS). I could imagine an obvious reason, that these volunteers with limited expertise and facility with the information (i.e., they aren't experts in the field who know all the sources well) write what they know. Also, it is up to Wikipedia's standard de facto, and most people don't go beyond that norm.

Instead of lots of people providing It's easy to copy and share accurate info, in theory, rather than creating or sharing more BS. The other problem is that such info is often placed behind paywalls; the intellectual elite get it, but not the public. If you want an accurate science info, look at McGraw-Hill's AccessScience (the decendent of their leading Encyclopedia of Science and Technology), "written by world-renowned scientists, including 46 Nobel Prize Laureates" - not exactly Wikipedia. Unfortunately, you'll probably need an institutional subscriptioin. Who cares if high school kids (or anyone else) have accurate info?

Re: Wikipedia had wrong Vatican flag for years – now incorrect flags are everywhere

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post #48

Just highlighting this twitter thread where people are finding all sorts of pre-wikipedia examples of Vatican flag, like this one from 1970: https://twitter.com/VinSlashLopez/status/1639478301885599745... So its obviously not just wikipedias invention, but a wider phenomenon.

You are backing up Wikipedia's claim with Twitter evidence. Not even Wikipedia would accept that.

You didn't even bother following the link to the Twitter thread.

The photo of the Apollo 11 display shown in the thread was taken from Wikimedia Commons, uploaded in 2008 [0].

The other one, with Pope Benedict seated next to a red-tiara'd flag comes from archivio.quirinale.it, the official archives of the Italian presidency [1].

[0] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Vatican_City_lun...

[1] https://archivio.quirinale.it/image-h/Ciampi/grandi_immagini...

Re: Wikipedia had wrong Vatican flag for years – now incorrect flags are everywhere

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You are backing up Wikipedia's claim with Twitter evidence. Not even Wikipedia would accept that.

You didn't even bother following the link to the Twitter thread. The photo of the Apollo 11 display shown in the thread was taken from Wikimedia Commons, uploaded in 2008 [0]. The other one, with Pope Benedict seated next to a red-tiara'd flag comes from archivio.quirinale.it, the official archives of the Italian presidency [1]. [0] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Vatican_City_lun... [1] https://archivio.…

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Re: Wikipedia had wrong Vatican flag for years – now incorrect flags are everywhere

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post #68

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> It's hard to imagine the flag flown at the UN being done as a rush job from a Wikipedia article. Maybe the UN has their buttons on, but at the Olympics, displaying the wrong flag, an incorrect flag or the right flag upside-down happens now and then.

Oh, the Olympics has done worse: https://www.npr.org/2012/03/23/149244038/ceremony-plays-bora... > Kazakhstan won the game but lost the award ceremony. A parody of the country's national anthem was played by mistake after a Kazakh athlete won a gold medal. Organizers of the shooting competition in Kuwait are apologizing for playing the Kazakhstan anthem from the comedy movie Borat .

Maybe the Olympics have done worse but your link isn’t Olympic-related.

Re: Wikipedia had wrong Vatican flag for years – now incorrect flags are everywhere

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post #68

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Oh, the Olympics has done worse: https://www.npr.org/2012/03/23/149244038/ceremony-plays-bora... > Kazakhstan won the game but lost the award ceremony. A parody of the country's national anthem was played by mistake after a Kazakh athlete won a gold medal. Organizers of the shooting competition in Kuwait are apologizing for playing the Kazakhstan anthem from the comedy movie Borat .

Maybe the Olympics have done worse but your link isn’t Olympic-related.

Whoever is downvoting this please ask yourself when the last time Kuwait hosted the Olympics was...

Re: Wikipedia had wrong Vatican flag for years – now incorrect flags are everywhere

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post #26

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> but it looks like it's something like "banner divided in yellow (towards the flagpole) and white https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Vatican_City says “A vertical bicolour of gold and white” . I would have thought that should be gold and silver ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tincture_(heraldry) ), but ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tincture_(heraldry)#Other_tinc... ) “The heraldic scholar A. C. Fox-Davies propo…

> “The heraldic scholar A. C. Fox-Davies proposed that, in some circumstances, white should be considered a heraldic colour, distinct from argent” I took a look, just because Fox-Davies can be absurdly and amusingly pedantic about that stuff: He only postulates White as tincture for labels of cadency – as in the CoA of the Prince of Wales. The idea is to difference it from argent. The supporters of the PoW’s CoA are…

Heraldic rules should apply to flags, insofar as it is centuries of graphic design knowledge about what can be distinguished from a distance, and in low-light.

Politics aside, the white-blue-white flag is simply a better design than the current flag of the Russian Federation, because color on metal is easier to distinguish. But the French tricolor looks great, because it follows the rules.

Re: Wikipedia had wrong Vatican flag for years – now incorrect flags are everywhere

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post #26

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> but it looks like it's something like "banner divided in yellow (towards the flagpole) and white https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Vatican_City says “A vertical bicolour of gold and white” . I would have thought that should be gold and silver ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tincture_(heraldry) ), but ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tincture_(heraldry)#Other_tinc... ) “The heraldic scholar A. C. Fox-Davies propo…

> Maybe it is gold and white. Yeah. In general, the first rule of heraldry ("metal should not be placed upon metal, nor color upon color") trumps the convention of "use standard heraldric colors." Gold touching silver violates the first rule; gold touching white violates only convention.

For secular states. The coat of arms of the Kingdom of Jerusalem used gold on silver. The coat of arms of the papacy on the other hand is not the flag so they can do whatever they feel like there.

Re: Wikipedia had wrong Vatican flag for years – now incorrect flags are everywhere

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post #68

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Oh, the Olympics has done worse: https://www.npr.org/2012/03/23/149244038/ceremony-plays-bora... > Kazakhstan won the game but lost the award ceremony. A parody of the country's national anthem was played by mistake after a Kazakh athlete won a gold medal. Organizers of the shooting competition in Kuwait are apologizing for playing the Kazakhstan anthem from the comedy movie Borat .

Maybe the Olympics have done worse but your link isn’t Olympic-related.

Oh, damn. I Googled for Olympics wrong anthem and that came up.

It's a meta-screw up. Apt.

Re: Wikipedia had wrong Vatican flag for years – now incorrect flags are everywhere

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Maybe the Olympics have done worse but your link isn’t Olympic-related.

Whoever is downvoting this please ask yourself when the last time Kuwait hosted the Olympics was...

The next time it does, it has the opportunity to do something extremely funny.
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