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Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by NavinF »

reaperducer wrote: post #32
hnrodey wrote: post #4

I tried going all-in on using iCloud Keychain (correct term?) for my passwords from having previously used LastPass. In short. 1. The experience on Windows is terrible. They can claim it's cross-platform but it's truly a sub-par product. 2. On Mac it's tied specifically to Safari. I use Safari a lot but if I'm in a different browser then my passwords are unavailable. 3. The GUI is buried in System Settings. Heaven fo…

I use Safari a lot but if I'm in a different browser then my passwords are unavailable. No, it's not. I alternate between Safari, Firefox, and Duck. If a password I use in Safari isn't stored in Firefox, I copy it from the Keychain program and paste it into Firefox. Firefox then asks to save it. No problem. The GUI is buried in System Settings. It has its own program. /Applications/Utilities/Keychain Access

> I copy it from the Keychain program and paste it into Firefox

Woah that's the same way I used password managers 10 years ago. Even back then it was considered barbaric. I had no idea people still lived like that.

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by dwaite »

arghnoname wrote: post #58
kylehotchkiss wrote: post #30

internally, apple used to have a pretty big 1Password contract - https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/07/10/apple-looking-to-... Maybe they don’t want to promote their own too heavily, to allow 1Password to take on the organizational risk of running a password manager? (For context, think about your current view of lastpass vs how you felt about it a year before their leak). Maybe the internal password management fun…

1password has features that are useful in a large corporation that keychain does not have, particularly around sharing passwords and password vaults. I haven't noticed even minimal credential sharing facilities in keychain.

WRT credential sharing, you can airdrop credentials to people on your contacts list.

But multiple vaults and vault sharing - no such luck. I don't think they want to deal with the UX confusion of it, especially since that confusion could lead to someone getting locked out of things.

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by AdamGibbins »

Edit: Removed initial comment, confused my iOS faults.

Keychain its current configuration is risky, given its coupled to your iPhone password which many people frequently enter in a public setting. One shoulder surf followed by a phone theft and they've unlocked everything - including your iCloud account (which you can change the password on using iPhone password only).

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by hnrodey »

Euphorbium wrote: post #62
hnrodey wrote: post #4

I tried going all-in on using iCloud Keychain (correct term?) for my passwords from having previously used LastPass. In short. 1. The experience on Windows is terrible. They can claim it's cross-platform but it's truly a sub-par product. 2. On Mac it's tied specifically to Safari. I use Safari a lot but if I'm in a different browser then my passwords are unavailable. 3. The GUI is buried in System Settings. Heaven fo…

2. Dont know what you are talking about, I use brave and get my passwords filled in from keychain. 3. Cmd-space keychain opens up keychain

Thank you for sharing that. I was not aware. I will try this tonight!

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by warning26 »

lozenge wrote: post #45
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you are 100% Mac then it's a good product. Going outside of the walled Apple garden leaves a lot to be desired. I think Apple would consider this "working as designed."

With passkeys, now every platform can enjoy this level of lock in!

Yeah, that's why I'd never touch passkeys. It feels like you're basically locking yourself into a weird ecosystem that you'll never be able to escape from.

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by waynecochran »

cj wrote: post #44
reaperducer wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But there's no "Passwords" app It's called Keychain Access.

The problem is Keychain Access doesn't pass the "mom test" (would you average consumer - e.g. your mom - actually use it)

Keychain Access doesn't pass the "me" test and I have a PhD in CS.

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by maccard »

leesalminen wrote: post #21
sagarkamat wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree on most of this but Keychain Access IS a standalone app on the mac so slightly confused about the comment about it being buried in System settings. Its still a pain to go to the app and copy a password for non-Safari browsers though.

I just do cmd+space -> type "pass" -> Return -> fingerprint. That gets me to my iCloud Keychain. I used to use Keychain Access but like the UI of the Passwords tab of Settings more.

I use 1password. cmd + shift + space opens a spotlight-like dialog for 1password. First access requires a fingerprint.

It also works on Windows!

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by azinman2 »

rootusrootus wrote: post #71
animal_spirits wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chrome on mac should by default be able to work with the Apple password keychain

No, Google has not implemented support for Keychain in Chrome. AFAIK neither has Firefox.

And this annoys me greatly. I want cookies, bookmarks, and passwords to be owned by the system. That way I can switch between browsers with ease, and that would also lower the bar for new browsers to come out.

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by howinteresting »

dwaite wrote: post #68
howinteresting wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just a good product if you're 100% Apple, it's only a good product if you're 100% Apple and are willing to accept a great deal of friction if Apple's direction no longer suits you in the future . It's a version of what some people call "high time preference". Personally, I was taught to care about the future.

They have an export-to-CSV feature. That takes a lot of the worry out of hypothetical futures.

Still adds a great deal of friction and makes it harder to, say, experiment with an Android phone or a Linux desktop for a month. Compare that to 1password which just works.
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