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Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Post by cma »

Xuzz wrote: post #37

See, to me, Samsung does have an issue here, but it's not about the "rounded rectangle" shape or the "reasonably thick black bezel": it's the fact they have both of those, like the iPad, but then also surround them with a marginal silver border. I own both the Galaxy Tab 10.1" and an iPad 2, and I actually do get confused between the two all the time, when looking at them from above. They're about the same thickness…

Black bezel, marginal silver border, years before the iPad, made by Samsung: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2006/1/SAMS.jp...

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Post by ctdonath »

X-Istence wrote: post #75
ctdonath wrote: post #41

Apple need be careful what they insist others do - it may be done, and well, and Apple prohibited from doing it too. Example: the color of the margin should be the same as the background color of the content This after insisting on a sufficient inactive margin, and going on to say the technology doesn't exist. The thought ends with the conclusion of a one-inch-ish black margin. But wait: what if a tablet DID run its…

Apple never suggested that the margin should be the same as the background colour of the content. The author of the article is stating that would be even better.

I didn't suggest Apple suggested that.

I'm noting that the author stated that color matched borders would be even better, but then abandoned the idea. I'm suggesting running with it in a manner which would benefit, instead of hinder, Samsung with an edge over Apple with a "what goes around comes around", "malicious obedience" unexpected consequence.

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Post by bergie »

falling wrote: post #76
bergie wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In general, the tablet design language seems to have evolved over time. Here are the four pre-iPad generations of Nokia's internet tablets: 770 (2005): http://www.flickr.com/photos/bergie/231781513/ N800 (2007): http://www.flickr.com/photos/bergie/399708279/ N810 (2007): http://www.flickr.com/photos/bergie/2290709295/ N900 (2009): http://www.flickr.com/photos/bergie/4706326072/ In those pictures you can also see some…

> for example, on the iPad I have to zoom HN quite a bit before I can reliably hit the up/down voting buttons. This is because HN's design and HTML code suck. It's unreadable and inconvenient on laptops too.

Sure, but it isn't by far the only website with small hit areas

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Post by mahyarm »

its_so_on wrote: post #79

I consider Apple's design aesthetic to be the "mercedes" of phones, laptops, etc. I've never mistaken another car for a mercedes (I'm thinking of the e-class), nor have I ever mistaken another laptop for a macbook, nor have I ever mistaken another mp3 player for an ipad. i mistook someone using a samsung tablet for them using an ipad - I thought that's what it was, looking at them interacting with it fairly closely,…

Mercedes is such a generic luxury model in many of their cars that it's easy to overlook them as generi-sedans for the most part.

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Post by pinaceae »

Pewpewarrows wrote: post #17

I'll just leave this here for everyone saying that iPad-like designs never existed before the iPad: http://gdeluxe.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/20111004-03455...

all windows tablets needed a stylus. ever used one of those? horrible, horrible stuff.

as you get older you realize how fucking ignorant the youth is. hindsight is 20/20.

i remember the time before the iPad. before the iPhone. No one, really no one, would have predicted those devices coming from Apple. Multi-Touch? no stylus? no keyboard? unthinkable. Apple doing a phone? A phone!? no way....and here we are.

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Post by leoedin »

Xuzz wrote: post #37

See, to me, Samsung does have an issue here, but it's not about the "rounded rectangle" shape or the "reasonably thick black bezel": it's the fact they have both of those, like the iPad, but then also surround them with a marginal silver border. I own both the Galaxy Tab 10.1" and an iPad 2, and I actually do get confused between the two all the time, when looking at them from above. They're about the same thickness…

Perhaps this is somewhat off topic, but what do you actually use so many tablets for? I can definitely see the appeal of a tablet, but I can't really imagine a usage scenario that requires the specific features of one of four different tablets.

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Post by Stratoscope »

samtregar2 wrote: post #56

That's amazing - this site managed to come up with CSS that prevents the font from getting bigger even when I ctrl-+ the page. Thanks for making it impossible for me to read, asshats.

They are using this evil CSS style:

    body { -webkit-text-size-adjust: none; }
Here is a userstyle that will fix the problem on this site and on all other sites that use this style:

http://userstyles.org/styles/54719/ctrl-plus-text-zoom-fix

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Post by Stratoscope »

eren-tantekin wrote: post #72
robin_reala wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Upgrade from IE - it doesn’t resize fonts specified in pixels in text resize mode.

I seriously doubt they are using IE. Using Google Chrome, I can't resize text either. On Firefox, I can though.

Yes, that is because they are using a webkit CSS style that is not intended for normal websites. See my comment above for a fix.

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Post by sirn »

samtregar2 wrote: post #56

That's amazing - this site managed to come up with CSS that prevents the font from getting bigger even when I ctrl-+ the page. Thanks for making it impossible for me to read, asshats.

It's `-webkit-text-size-adjust`. This property, at its original intent, was introduced as a way to tell Mobile Safari (and other WebKit mobile browsers) to not auto-adjust the font size on orientation change. However, there also exists `-apple-text-size-adjust` that used in several WebKit views in Apple softwares (e.g. Safari's RSS reader use `-apple-text-size-adjust` for its sidebar). At one point they deprecated `-apple` prefix for `-webkit` and the collision occurs.

This is a bug[1][2] rather than expected behavior. They can't disable it right away because Apple softwares and Qt requires this "feature". The website is likely not the one to blame here.

Update: looks like there's a new patch to fix this earlier this week.

[1]: https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2011-May/01686...

[2]: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56543

[3]: https://bug-56543-attachments.webkit.org/attachment.cgi?id=1...

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Post by fuzzythinker »

"Thickness: The batteries make it impossible to create the optional shape for gripping. Instead, the back is shaped to be slightly thicker to fit the batteries, while keeping the edge as thin as possible. Flat back: It simply doesn't work."

These 2 assertions are basically the same, and were made with next to no basis. Had they actually used the Sony tablet? How do they know that it "It simply doesn't work."? I haven't used the Sony tablet before, but I did use the REB2100 color ebook which is similar to the Sony design where the batteries are in one edge instead of being flat on the back. It is much easier to hold than the ipad. I will argue that a tablet with an edge heavy side like the Sony, if it isn't currently easy to hold with 2 hands for gaming or other applications due to sharp edges, can be redesigned more like the 1st gen macbook air where user can hold the heavy edge comfortably by either a single hand or both hands.

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