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Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's your point? The only difference between the the 2008 Crunchpad/JooJoo and the iPad is the color black.

I think his point is the original JooJoo design, which he provides, looked a lot less like the iPad.

But it fulfills most of the things apple is claiming that Samsung infringed upon except the color black.

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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That's amazing - this site managed to come up with CSS that prevents the font from getting bigger even when I ctrl-+ the page. Thanks for making it impossible for me to read, asshats.

Upgrade from IE - it doesn’t resize fonts specified in pixels in text resize mode.

I seriously doubt they are using IE. Using Google Chrome, I can't resize text either. On Firefox, I can though.

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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post #61

I'll just leave this here for everyone saying that iPad-like designs never existed before the iPad: http://gdeluxe.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/20111004-03455...

What I see is an excellent example of how tablets before the iPad did not look anything like the iPad, and those after have clearly been inspired by it. Then again, this kind of design-blindness doesn't surprise me. There are constantly people claiming that certain laptops and phones are equally well-designed as Apple products. There is clearly a large group of people who cannot see the difference.

Many people usually looks at design from design features perspective rather than the subtleness of it. After all, they're all rectangular with bezels and screen in the middle. It can't be much different, right?

However once you start looking in details there will be a lot of differences, subtle or not. Are the bezels and screens completely flat in a single piece? What are the visual featuring of buttons? How black/white it is? etc.

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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See, to me, Samsung does have an issue here, but it's not about the "rounded rectangle" shape or the "reasonably thick black bezel": it's the fact they have both of those, like the iPad, but then also surround them with a marginal silver border. I own both the Galaxy Tab 10.1" and an iPad 2, and I actually do get confused between the two all the time, when looking at them from above. They're about the same thickness…

I just know from personal experience that I was having flashbacks to opening my iPad 2 compared to when I was opening my HP TouchPad.

It seems almost all manufacturers have gone to the same sort of packaging that Apple has been doing for years.

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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Apple need be careful what they insist others do - it may be done, and well, and Apple prohibited from doing it too. Example: the color of the margin should be the same as the background color of the content This after insisting on a sufficient inactive margin, and going on to say the technology doesn't exist. The thought ends with the conclusion of a one-inch-ish black margin. But wait: what if a tablet DID run its…

Apple never suggested that the margin should be the same as the background colour of the content. The author of the article is stating that would be even better.

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's plenty of use of the color black, rectangular shapes, rounded corners, and centered screens in the "before iPad" group.

In general, the tablet design language seems to have evolved over time. Here are the four pre-iPad generations of Nokia's internet tablets: 770 (2005): http://www.flickr.com/photos/bergie/231781513/ N800 (2007): http://www.flickr.com/photos/bergie/399708279/ N810 (2007): http://www.flickr.com/photos/bergie/2290709295/ N900 (2009): http://www.flickr.com/photos/bergie/4706326072/ In those pictures you can also see some…

> for example, on the iPad I have to zoom HN quite a bit before I can reliably hit the up/down voting buttons.

This is because HN's design and HTML code suck. It's unreadable and inconvenient on laptops too.

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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post #46

Oh for frak's sake, Apple. This design came out before the iPad and looks identical to it. HN readers, you especially should know about this since it was all over the front page forever: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JooJoo Here's an article from June 2009 that you could almost literally just swap the word Apple and iPad into. http://techcrunch.com/2009/06/03/crunchpad-the-launch-protot...

But how can this be? Steve Jobs himself said: "iPad creates and defines an entirely new category of devices" Clearly, JooJoo was copied from Apple.

Yes, it changes everything. If not everything is changed, how can Steve be right? Steve is right therefore everything is changed

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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"Optimally speaking, the color of the margin should be the same as the background color of the content. That way, the margin would be there but not attract your attention. But that is not actually possible with today's technology."

What?

There are several comments here which ring with the similar, "this is the only way it could be" tone that is morally disturbing (although always pleasing to hear from the competition...).

(edit: spelling)

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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I consider Apple's design aesthetic to be the "mercedes" of phones, laptops, etc.

I've never mistaken another car for a mercedes (I'm thinking of the e-class), nor have I ever mistaken another laptop for a macbook, nor have I ever mistaken another mp3 player for an ipad.

i mistook someone using a samsung tablet for them using an ipad - I thought that's what it was, looking at them interacting with it fairly closely, etc.

I disagree with the argument in this article and elsewhere. The fact is, you could make basically the exact same arguments for why things HAVE to look like a MacBook or an iMac. But I've never seen anyone who cares about APPLE products in particular, mistake another computer for a MacBook or another computer for an iMac - have you?

When an expert does a double-take two minutes in and realizes that's not the Apple product it looks exactly like, then a line has been crossed.

you guys can mod me down, doesn't change this fact.

Re: Apple Never Designed the iPad - They Undesigned it

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I'll just leave this here for everyone saying that iPad-like designs never existed before the iPad: http://gdeluxe.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/20111004-03455...

What about a quick search for Star Trek tablet: http://www.inventinginteractive.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/... Star Trek PADDs: https://www.google.com/search?q=star+trek+PADDs&hl=en&#3...

Most of the PADDs actually do have extraneous design elements of the type suggested by Apple, though.
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