There's actually quite a large Indian hacker community on platforms like hackerone, and when you look at their Twitter profiles, it seems like quite a lot of them are from these remote village type places, which I think is fascinating. This is the first time I've read about mercenary hacker for hire groups from India but I guess it's not surprising.
Former WSJ reporter says law firm used Indian hackers to sabotage his career
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I think it's covered in the Dark Basin episode of Darknet Diaries, but India apparently has a reputation for especially aggressive private investigators, who were historically used to dig up dirt on families before committing to marriage pacts, but in the modern era are used regularly for PR and corporate blackmail. Apparently this practice is ingrained enough into the culture that digging up dirt on people by any me…
It's interesting, because India is also a hub for these "hacker scams" where so-called hackers on Whatsapp will promise to change your grade, see if your partner is cheating, or get you a pay raise and then run off with your money. I wonder how one is able to tell the difference between actual hacking services and scams claiming to offer the same.
Easy, you just hire a another hacker/PI to investigate them first...
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#83I'm not sure I understand the importance of these hackers being Indian as opposed as from any other region?
Solomon and Azima allege that Dechert undertook the hack-and-leak operation in the interest of its client, Sheikh Saud bin Saqr al-Qasimi, ruler of the Middle Eastern emirate of Ras Al Khaimah.
What kind of gun was used in a killing is much less important than who paid for the killing, no?
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Indians will read this and not once think of racism Reminds me of the "voter ID is racist" argument
No i too was confused why indian needed mentioning
- Because just mentioning it adds the following dimensions to the headline: geopolitics, outsourcing, human resources in the developing world, cybercrime & jurisdiction challenges
- Because it's allegedly true
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#86This is an angle of the uneven distribution of wealth that you seldom hear about. As long as there are rich and poor people, a rich person can hire a poor person to do basically anything. Overriding legality, decency, safety. Because the poor person just needs the money that bad. So you get people renting out their backyard as a toxic waste dump. Or murdering people. Or breathing smog. Or selling children. Crazy horr…
> ... Or murdering people. ... Oh come on. Is HN suddenly r/antiwork? I'm pretty sure conspiracy to commit murder is illegal in whatever your locale is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_(criminal)
Look at the case of Daphne Caruana Galizia, the Maltese journalist killed by two idiots who got paid 150.000€. The killer brothers are in jail and the rich asshole who ordered the killing is free. The fact that such a thing can happen in an EU country means that every shady business man can threaten and silence a journalist, not by killing them, just by hinting it could happen, and you will never learn anything about such cases.
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US and India have very enforceable bilateral cybercrime treaties. And it is very well enforced on both sides. The article makes it seem that India as a whole is operating in some North Korea-ish way. A US citizen can well complain to CERT-IN ( https://www.cert-in.org.in/ ) for any reported cybercrime with proper documents and it will be treated as an enforceable crime. In fact, quite funny considering the US Chambers…
> US and India have very enforceable bilateral cybercrime treaties. And it is very well enforced on both sides Is this documented? If true, I suspect the image of Indian criminals being beyond the reach of the law stems from the spam call problem.
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Plenty of people already have their potential capped by the current system, with no recourse.
How so? I thought achievement was its own reward. Seems like that should be adequate for people who don’t care about being economically productive.
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1. Foreign hacking groups are often beyond the reach of Western law enforcement. If a domestic threat had been to blame here, there would be legal/financial recourse for damage done. That's not the case here. Implicit in this article is the report of a new kind of warfare for which many Americans have no good defense against. 2. Standard editorial racism a la "The Oriental Threat".
Indians will read this and not once think of racism Reminds me of the "voter ID is racist" argument
If I walk into a friend's business, and say "woah, I did not know you hired a , they're all stupid you should fire him" and the friend immediately goes "ooh I forgot to be racist, yea I'll fire them immediately" then their firing would absolutely be racist despite the person being fired not witnessing the racist logic that causes it.
Equally with voter ID laws, they're not racist because they put mean racist message onto the ID cards or something, and whether or not victims of that sort of racist politics notice doesn't mean racism isn't involved. If somebody says "I don't think we need voter IDs, but in my district only the don't have photo IDs and they would all want to vote for my opponent, so let's require ID to vote!" then those people have had a racist and very unfair thing happen against them, regardless of whether they are "thinking of racism".
edit: and as a slightly easier example, if I edited a newspaper and decided that for every negative story about one skin colour would get front page billing, and every negative story about my own skin colour would get binned rather than published, then all my paper's readers might be able to look at every single article without seeing any racism in them - but their not knowing doesn't change that my theoretical editing was racist.
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> US and India have very enforceable bilateral cybercrime treaties. And it is very well enforced on both sides Is this documented? If true, I suspect the image of Indian criminals being beyond the reach of the law stems from the spam call problem.
They aren't beyond the reach of the law, it's just logistically hard. Imagine getting the cops to bother investigating your stolen laptop or something. Now multiply that by an international multi-agency investigation spanning 10,000 miles.
Sure. I am just pushing back on “very well enforced.” It’s not. Not out of malice. But because the problem is hard.