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Former WSJ reporter says law firm used Indian hackers to sabotage his career

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Re: Former WSJ reporter says law firm used Indian hackers to sabotage his career

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US and India have very enforceable bilateral cybercrime treaties. And it is very well enforced on both sides. The article makes it seem that India as a whole is operating in some North Korea-ish way. A US citizen can well complain to CERT-IN ( https://www.cert-in.org.in/ ) for any reported cybercrime with proper documents and it will be treated as an enforceable crime. In fact, quite funny considering the US Chambers…

> US and India have very enforceable bilateral cybercrime treaties. And it is very well enforced on both sides Is this documented? If true, I suspect the image of Indian criminals being beyond the reach of the law stems from the spam call problem.

Some news related to scam call center arrests:

Oct 4 2022:

On inputs from FBI and Interpol, CBI, police forces search 105 locations to combat cyber crime: https://indianexpress.com/article/india/cbi-operation-target...

31 Aug 2022:

Fake call centre busted in Gurugram, six held for cheating foreign citizens: https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/haryana/fake-call-centre-b...

04 Aug 2022:

Fake call centre: Cyber cell contacts FBI, CBI & ED: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/dehradun/fake-call-...

30 Dec 2020:

India's CBI helped US sleuths shut down a call centre scam that impersonated Microsoft at times: https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/us-india-c...

17 Oct 2020:

Call centre fraud: US, CBI bust call centres defrauding elderly Americans: https://www.financialexpress.com/india-news/call-centre-frau...

Re: Former WSJ reporter says law firm used Indian hackers to sabotage his career

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An underappreciated negative aspect of equality is total lack of enthusiasm and incentive. As inequality is a guarantee - no two people are alike in any aspect and neither are their abilities as an employee - mandating (either by gun or union contract) lockstep equality in payments and job security, the highest performers are demoralized and put in the bare minimum or quit (if they can). The result is the ever-increa…

Sounds to me like we should eliminate the idea that high performance and achievement should be rewarded with wealth or being raised above others. Perhaps it would be better if people learned from a young age that achievement is its own reward? Are we such animals that we need special treats in order to do the right thing? I think it’s a childish attitude that if you don’t get more cookies than someone else that you’l…

You can wish all you like but it won't change human nature

Re: Former WSJ reporter says law firm used Indian hackers to sabotage his career

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There's actually quite a large Indian hacker community on platforms like hackerone, and when you look at their Twitter profiles, it seems like quite a lot of them are from these remote village type places, which I think is fascinating. This is the first time I've read about mercenary hacker for hire groups from India but I guess it's not surprising.

I think it's covered in the Dark Basin episode of Darknet Diaries, but India apparently has a reputation for especially aggressive private investigators, who were historically used to dig up dirt on families before committing to marriage pacts, but in the modern era are used regularly for PR and corporate blackmail. Apparently this practice is ingrained enough into the culture that digging up dirt on people by any means necessary is widely accepted, and not even illegal in most contexts.

https://darknetdiaries.com/episode/79/

https://citizenlab.ca/2020/06/dark-basin-uncovering-a-massiv...

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This is an angle of the uneven distribution of wealth that you seldom hear about. As long as there are rich and poor people, a rich person can hire a poor person to do basically anything. Overriding legality, decency, safety. Because the poor person just needs the money that bad. So you get people renting out their backyard as a toxic waste dump. Or murdering people. Or breathing smog. Or selling children. Crazy horr…

> ... Or murdering people. ... Oh come on. Is HN suddenly r/antiwork? I'm pretty sure conspiracy to commit murder is illegal in whatever your locale is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_(criminal)

The money is a big enticement for many prospective soldiers. Joining the military is often sold as a way to escape poverty.

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I'm not sure I understand the importance of these hackers being Indian as opposed as from any other region?

to me it's not racist, it just tells me more how competitive indians are when it comes to the tech industry.

during our college days our profs literalt recommended studying online resources in youtube made by indians, because they got better coverage than most of our curriculum. we laugh at their accent but we owe them a lot.

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1. Foreign hacking groups are often beyond the reach of Western law enforcement. If a domestic threat had been to blame here, there would be legal/financial recourse for damage done. That's not the case here. Implicit in this article is the report of a new kind of warfare for which many Americans have no good defense against. 2. Standard editorial racism a la "The Oriental Threat".

Is that also why this is a civil suit and not criminal charges under the CFAA?

Can a victim file charges under the CFAA? I think only the government can do that.

Re: Former WSJ reporter says law firm used Indian hackers to sabotage his career

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There's actually quite a large Indian hacker community on platforms like hackerone, and when you look at their Twitter profiles, it seems like quite a lot of them are from these remote village type places, which I think is fascinating. This is the first time I've read about mercenary hacker for hire groups from India but I guess it's not surprising.

I think it's covered in the Dark Basin episode of Darknet Diaries, but India apparently has a reputation for especially aggressive private investigators, who were historically used to dig up dirt on families before committing to marriage pacts, but in the modern era are used regularly for PR and corporate blackmail. Apparently this practice is ingrained enough into the culture that digging up dirt on people by any me…

It's interesting, because India is also a hub for these "hacker scams" where so-called hackers on Whatsapp will promise to change your grade, see if your partner is cheating, or get you a pay raise and then run off with your money. I wonder how one is able to tell the difference between actual hacking services and scams claiming to offer the same.

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I assume this has more to do with absolute poverty than relative poverty. If a person is starving they’ll do almost anything to eat. If they’re merely relatively poor, having an old car instead of a new one, a small house instead of a large house, it’s unlikely they’d go to extremes.

Relative poverty is also involved imo. Many people would go to extremes to ensure their children and their loved ones are guaranteed brighter economic futures. Life insurance companies wouldn't both explicitly exclude suicide and also do investigation to ensure a death wasn't suicide if it people weren't willing to literally die to ensure a brighter economic future for their dependents. Hell, I live very comfortably,…

> Life insurance companies wouldn't both explicitly exclude suicide

Not enforceable in most places. Even if you lie on the forms or commit suicide, the insurance company still has to pay out as long as you've had the policy for 2 years.

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I'm not sure I understand the importance of these hackers being Indian as opposed as from any other region?

1. Foreign hacking groups are often beyond the reach of Western law enforcement. If a domestic threat had been to blame here, there would be legal/financial recourse for damage done. That's not the case here. Implicit in this article is the report of a new kind of warfare for which many Americans have no good defense against. 2. Standard editorial racism a la "The Oriental Threat".

Indians will read this and not once think of racism

Reminds me of the "voter ID is racist" argument

Re: Former WSJ reporter says law firm used Indian hackers to sabotage his career

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Foreign hacking groups are often beyond the reach of Western law enforcement. If a domestic threat had been to blame here, there would be legal/financial recourse for damage done. That's not the case here. Implicit in this article is the report of a new kind of warfare for which many Americans have no good defense against. 2. Standard editorial racism a la "The Oriental Threat".

Indians will read this and not once think of racism Reminds me of the "voter ID is racist" argument

No i too was confused why indian needed mentioning
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