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87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by kylehotchkiss »

heavyset_go wrote: post #24
rsync wrote: post #2

My two oldest children - 13 and 15 - have loudly proclaimed that having a "green bubble" would be worse than death .

We like to fingerwag at social media companies for knowingly negatively impacting children's mental health and self-esteem, yet Apple is aware of how their systems ostracize children, in their own peer groups, who can't afford to carry around luxury phones. It's one thing to be ostracized by strangers on social media, it's an entirely other thing to be ostracized by your own friends and peers. The latter is tragicall…

I just got a backup iPhone SE for $430. It's fantastic. Same chip as recent iPhones. Very decent camera. Better battery life than my 13 pro. Actually fits in pocket. More fun to play games with one-handed. Easily will last 5 years with a case. Not a luxury device, but pretty competitive with what a lot of young people in even middle-income countries would pay for phones.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by shawabawa3 »

rsync wrote: post #2

My two oldest children - 13 and 15 - have loudly proclaimed that having a "green bubble" would be worse than death .

Do people on androids in the US actually use SMS?

My experience in the UK and France is WhatsApp/telegram have basically 100% penetration and SMS is only used by businesses and 2fa

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by robbyking »

JPKab wrote: post #39
heavyset_go wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We like to fingerwag at social media companies for knowingly negatively impacting children's mental health and self-esteem, yet Apple is aware of how their systems ostracize children, in their own peer groups, who can't afford to carry around luxury phones. It's one thing to be ostracized by strangers on social media, it's an entirely other thing to be ostracized by your own friends and peers. The latter is tragicall…

It's a good opportunity to teach your kids about how crappy and shallow other kids can be, and also teach them how to respond to criticism like this. 20 years ago, you'd get shit for not wearing the cool kind of shoes your peers had.

And kids still get shit for not wearing "cool" shoes!

When I was younger I got teased for not having a Starter brand fitted hat, and I wasn't even into team sports.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by danielodievich »

rsync wrote: post #2

My two oldest children - 13 and 15 - have loudly proclaimed that having a "green bubble" would be worse than death .

My two high scoolers are produ members of Android generation and apparently dong give a damn as long as they get to play games and chat on discord and text with girls. I am going to count that as a win against the industrial marketing complex.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by [deleted] »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #58
tiborsaas wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's a "green bubble"?

Yeah, I had to google it too: "If you see a green message bubble instead of a blue one, then that message was sent using MMS/SMS instead of iMessage. There are several reasons for this: The person that you sent the message to doesn't have an Apple device. iMessage is turned off on your device or on your recipient's device." So apparently iPhone users see text messages from us Android users in a green bubble instead o…

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Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by deadmutex »

atonse wrote: post #28
m348e912 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(iPhone user here) It does seem to me that Apple isn't playing fair and this is no longer the technical issue it once was. Apple has so far refused to adopt RCS (the successor to SMS and MMS) which is now an industry standard for text messaging. Because of that, aside from the green bubble, the text messaging experience with non-iPhone users is subpar. Images and videos are compressed and things like tapback and grou…

RCS is not end-to-end encrypted. (But neither is SMS, I get it). The fact that they're pushing a protocol in 2022 that has state-of-the-art design for fifteen years ago, is disingenuous, and is emblematic of all the chefs that have their hand in the pot with the Android ecosystem.

> RCS is not end-to-end encrypted.

While this may be some technicality in a spec, the reality is that all the people I know using Android are enjoying end-to-end 1:1 encrypted conversations using Google Messages. Group messages were announced to get e2e encryption soon.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by _ea1k »

nightfly wrote: post #18
csdreamer7 wrote: post #5

So I have owned an Android all my life and never daily driven an iPhone. The iPhone (edit forgot the iPhone part) screen seems more responsive and very bright and colorful. To me the freedom of an unlocked phone I can put my own apps on is very important for me for Android. Why should I get an iPhone? edit: not sure most teens care or are unaware of Android's around 3 years support length for a phone.

Longer support period. Easier to tell if you're getting a "good" phone since there's only a few models. I use Android phones, but that last points almost dragged me in a few times after getting disappointing phones. Edit: you asked why _you_ should get an iPhone, not why teens should.

That's true. The Android marketplace is full of a _lot_ of bad products. The good ones get most of the attention, thankfully, but its easy to walk into a phone store and walk out with a shiny piece of pain.

Even the worst iphone will be better than that.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by chadd »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #58
tiborsaas wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's a "green bubble"?

Yeah, I had to google it too: "If you see a green message bubble instead of a blue one, then that message was sent using MMS/SMS instead of iMessage. There are several reasons for this: The person that you sent the message to doesn't have an Apple device. iMessage is turned off on your device or on your recipient's device." So apparently iPhone users see text messages from us Android users in a green bubble instead o…

it's not color it's functionality. a single non-iOS user being added to the group breaks the group texting behavior for the entire group

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by macintux »

sneak wrote: post #38
m348e912 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(iPhone user here) It does seem to me that Apple isn't playing fair and this is no longer the technical issue it once was. Apple has so far refused to adopt RCS (the successor to SMS and MMS) which is now an industry standard for text messaging. Because of that, aside from the green bubble, the text messaging experience with non-iPhone users is subpar. Images and videos are compressed and things like tapback and grou…

RCS is less of an industry standard than iMessage. Apple built something better. So did Google. Then Google killed theirs. Then they did the same thing three more times. It's no wonder nobody wants to use Google messaging, and that Google resorts to smear campaigns. People would rather use WhatsApp spyware from FB/Meta or totally unencrypted Discord/Slack than bother with another Google IM product (which, let's be cl…

> PS: Apple preserves a backdoor in the end to end crypto of iMessage for government surveillance that allows Apple to read all iMessages.

That’s configurable. By default a user can access them from other devices, but that feature can be disabled.

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