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Re: Mozilla claims Apple, Google and Microsoft force users to use default browsers

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Go to Settings (Win+I) -> System -> Notifications & actions [ ] Show me the Windows welcome experience after updates ... [ ] Suggest ways I can finish setting up my device ... [ ] Get tips, tricks, ...

just use Linux you get none of this nonsense

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Re: Mozilla claims Apple, Google and Microsoft force users to use default browsers

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What exactly are these companies supposed to do? Web access really is the meat behind modern OS usage. Say what you want about Microsoft, but that's exactly what they realized when they began shipping Internet Explorer with Windows (and got into hot water over it). Safari can't be deleted from iOS, but aspects of Safari are integral to the OS. As long as someone can use another web browser for actual web browsing, as…

> and just work on making a competitive browser.

I think the issue here is that Mazilla feels that they do. The problem for the average user is not “Do I want to use a Porsche (Chrome) or a Mercedes (Firefox)?”. It’s “Which icon is the one that makes The Internet open up and show me all the things I want to see?” They don’t care beyond that.

Re: Mozilla claims Apple, Google and Microsoft force users to use default browsers

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On desktop there's emails, chat apps, etc. On mobile the default browser is often used for the webview within apps, e.g. on Android I have Firefox doing the rendering for webpages inside other apps' UI, which means I can block ads thanks the uBlock Origin. It happens all the time, for lots of people.

Mobile is different. But on a desktop, most people use webmails, and many chat apps are web based. I barely click any link outside of a browser on a desktop.

I click on links all the time from email (not everyone uses webmail), console, IDE, etc. Enough that yes, it very much matters. Even if not that many links happen, there's 0% chance you wouldn't end up by default using whatever browser it is that opens when you click one.

Re: Mozilla claims Apple, Google and Microsoft force users to use default browsers

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I've flagged these concerns to several people involved in Webauthn, privately and publicly, and passkey portability is pretty clearly low-priority (i.e. never going to happen) for them.

Great, then I will probably never use it, and anyone who has an iPhone and another windows device. Or any other mismatched devices ecosystem, the locked in ecosystem dream of apple is only applicable to extremely tiny amounts of people.

The technology is safe enough to use, as long as you stick to hardware tokens - I have accumulated a few of them over the years (quite affordable), and you can get USB-A, USB-C and NFC versions.

You shouldn't get locked in with a USB hardware token - you can enrol it in Chrome on one computer, and then authenticate via Firefox in another computer.

The issue is really the software-based "passkey" implementation. As long as you're not solely reliant on one company for login (i.e. you enrol multiple keys, one of which is portable and interoperable, AKA a hardware token) you can safely add software-based ones for convenience without getting locked in - you can always use the hardware token to get back in and enrol a new device.

Re: Mozilla claims Apple, Google and Microsoft force users to use default browsers

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define "the government" -- who and what exactly is controlling this supposed policy?

Well, I guess the NSA makes the most sense. They've been integrated into the corporate structure of FAANG for over a decade now, and they're the primary government entity making demands over this stuff. The who is a lot harder to track down - maybe there is a Wizard of Oz hiding behind one of our administrative curtains, but I think it's more of a bureaucratic process. Judging by what we know about America's surveill…

I'm sure I'll get downvoted for this and not believed by hardly anyone on this crowd so I'll keep it short and without evidence, only testimony: I was a US intelligence officer for some time. Not woth NSA, but did a lot of work with NSA, CIA, and the Bureau. The involvement between the US intelligence agencies and FAANG (in terms of the rough narrative involved) is a lot less impressive and threatening than people here suppose. The reality is that the US government hires some smart people to solve hard problems. When the problems get harder, they higher more smart people. The costs arent completely opaque, either. So at the end of the FY the costs get seen by elected officials and actions get justified and legally scrutinized. As it turns out, the US government is a lot less interested in spying on people who aren't threats to the state, and the intelligence agencies have to be judicial in who they target, because there are limited resources for such activities.

The US intelligence service is also a bureaucracy, and people seem to forget that. Just because something is "secret" doesn't mean it is romantic or Bornesque.

Context: I have not held a TS clearance or been employed with the US government nor contractor for a little over 3 years.

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just use Linux you get none of this nonsense

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> Wow, zealot much?

someone makes a single, half sentence including the word Linux, and now they are a Zealot? Calm down dude.

Re: Mozilla claims Apple, Google and Microsoft force users to use default browsers

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Go to Settings (Win+I) -> System -> Notifications & actions [ ] Show me the Windows welcome experience after updates ... [ ] Suggest ways I can finish setting up my device ... [ ] Get tips, tricks, ...

just use Linux you get none of this nonsense

“just” use Linux

Re: Mozilla claims Apple, Google and Microsoft force users to use default browsers

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I've flagged these concerns to several people involved in Webauthn, privately and publicly, and passkey portability is pretty clearly low-priority (i.e. never going to happen) for them.

Great, then I will probably never use it, and anyone who has an iPhone and another windows device. Or any other mismatched devices ecosystem, the locked in ecosystem dream of apple is only applicable to extremely tiny amounts of people.

The problem is that a lot of people are going to unintentionally lock themselves in due to Apple's and Google's marketing. It's going to be a miserable few years.

Re: Mozilla claims Apple, Google and Microsoft force users to use default browsers

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Does Firefox have a future? I'm writing this from Firefox, having used it ever since the days when Firefox releases used to have launch parties, and tabs was the revolutionary killer feature. Let me rephrase the question: does Gecko/Spidermonkey have a future? I think it's clear the Firefox branding will live on, since it is Mozilla's crown jewel. But in today's landscape, you can target WebKit (Apple) and V8/Blink (…

I personally think they should think about maintaining a chromium fork.

It will relieve a lot of resources to be spent on other things like user experience, and they will benefit from all the development resources devoted to chromium, while being able to remove anything they don't like, like MV3 limitations on adblockers.

I really like what brave is doing, I switched because I lost hope Mozilla is going to do anything, they are funded by google, and therefore afraid to do anything impactful.

While brave has privacy by default, has an independent search engine, an independent ad network(that is privacy friendly and isn't enabled by default), and they aren't afraid to do anything against big tech, like banning AMP, removing social trackers and other things.

Brave is almost what Mozilla should've been.

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